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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    This is a total crock of bull****.

    Everything that has any connection to politics is partisan.

    And intelligence has a lot of connections to politics.

    Give us a frickin' break here.

    We didn't all just fall off of the turnip truck.
    The analyst and collectors of Intel are apolitical, they spawn more then an admin and tend to be lifers. Like I said.. its those positions such as Director, Deputy Director.. these are short term posts basically given out of quid pro-quo. In the offices of these positions (Director and Deputy Director) are where intel is molded to fit a message.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    Do you have anything to support that Mother Goose Nursery Rhyme?
    How about the last decade of career intel officers, analyst and collectors who through two Presidents of not spilling the beans, does that work for you? People who leak that stuff are politically appointed positions.. or contractors.



    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    All the bolded words are past tense. If people that are still active are giving him this type of info, then they should be arrested and charged with treason.
    If your premise was correct, Richard Armitage and Robert Novak would have died in prison for leaking Valerie Plame's name. But your premise is not right. CIA is a small group, they are probably the most vetted people in the world. So they are highly trusted be it current employees or ex-employees.

    But then again just cause you don't work for the CIA (an intel agency) officially anymore doesn't mean you aren't asked to help out once in a while and the requires keeping clearance.. Ray McGovern was the go to guy in the 1980s and early 1990s when it came to the Soviet Union (Russia) (and probably still is) . You don't think the CIA doesn't ask him once in a while what he thinks?
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by austrianecon View Post
    The analyst and collectors of Intel are apolitical, they spawn more then an admin and tend to be lifers. Like I said.. its those positions such as Director, Deputy Director.. these are short term posts basically given out of quid pro-quo. In the offices of these positions (Director and Deputy Director) are where intel is molded to fit a message.
    edit: they spend more time then admin appointees in service and tend to be lifers.
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats. It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office. H.L Mencken

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's a great article. Nothing that hasn't been stated clearly on this forum, but nice to see some sanity on a more public level. This war is clearly someone's agenda, but it is hard to define, other than to acknowledge the interests that profit monetarily from these misadventures. That would be the Military/Industrial/Corporate complex and promotion or marketing to enhance profits is SOP. Then again, one cannot ignore the first profits of war to the large Energy Corporations. Do these groups have disproportionate power? Does a cat have an ass? Gee, another big co inky dink, war on oily resource geography.
    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Don't know what's true and what's not anymore. With any supposed intelligence coming from the White House. Under ANY president.

    To think we are either entitled to, or know, "the rest of the story," is arrogant and stupid almost beyond belief.

    But here's what I think: We've GOT to change what we're doing overall. It's not working. We are simply reacting. And, in this case, reacting in the worst possible way. Upping the ante, so to speak. It's not WORKING!!

    If I were President of the United States, I would want a sit-down with Syria's leadership. I would ask him to his face if his government was responsible for chemical attacks. If he said no, which I would expect him to do, I would ask him how he can guarantee it will never happen again. Or, if it does, what he thinks the world should do about it. Because it is UNACCEPTABLE.

    Then I would want a sit-down with rebel leadership and ask the same exact thing.

    Eye-to-eye, man-to-man. One last ditch effort to make sure it never happens again. "We are watching you. If it happens again? We will ask not one more question. We will act on our intelligence and carpet bombing of either side is a foregone conclusion."
    You both make very good points of which I agree with 100%.

    I do believe once again someone is manipulating the intelligence. I believe it's the only way to lure this country into yet another protracted war under false pretenses - to play on our collective fears of a rouge terror attack using a "dirty bomb" or some sort. The potential does exist considering we really don't know which side the Syrian rebel forces truly represent let alone who they are: Syrian citizens or insurgents from Iran? My guess is they make up the latter rather than the former.

    Iran HAS been a thorn in America's side since the end of the Carter Administration and the beginning of the Regan Administration. Never more was that evident than throughout the Iraq War. After all, the majority of the IEDs used to kill American military personnel came from Iran or were made possible by the training and financing received from insurgents who filtered into Iraq from Iran. (The book, "The Gamble" by Thomas E. Ricks refers.) But I digress...

    I agree with MaggieD. President Obama should have a sit-down with Assad and the leader of the rebel forces in Syria and ask them point-blank "Did you do this? What guarantee can you give to assure this doesn't happen again and what consequences are you willing to endure if it does?

    The world is watching and how we handle this as a nation could have dire consequences.
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    You both make very good points of which I agree with 100%.

    I do believe once again someone is manipulating the intelligence. I believe it's the only way to lure this country into yet another protracted war under false pretenses - to play on our collective fears of a rouge terror attack using a "dirty bomb" or some sort. The potential does exist considering we really don't know which side the Syrian rebel forces truly represent let alone who they are: Syrian citizens or insurgents from Iran? My guess is they make up the latter rather than the former.

    Iran HAS been a thorn in America's side since the end of the Carter Administration and the beginning of the Regan Administration. Never more was that evident than throughout the Iraq War. After all, the majority of the IEDs used to kill American military personnel came from Iran or were made possible by the training and financing received from insurgents who filtered into Iraq from Iran. (The book, "The Gamble" by Thomas E. Ricks refers.) But I digress...

    I agree with MaggieD. President Obama should have a sit-down with Assad and the leader of the rebel forces in Syria and ask them point-blank "Did you do this? What guarantee can you give to assure this doesn't happen again and what consequences are you willing to endure if it does?

    The world is watching and how we handle this as a nation could have dire consequences.
    I don't think a sit down would work. This Syria debacle is exactly like Libya. Now Quaddafi had become a pretty good guy. Good for Libyans. Good for Africans. No more terrorist support and he helped US Intelligence take down A. Q. Khan's nuke network (he is footloose in Pakistan and a National hero there.) and apparently some International OIL power network wanted more drilling in Libya. That would be the agenda that was promoted. Who's agenda is being promoted in Syrial? This issue has nothing to do with Chemical warfare and some group in this gov't of ours wants this war and it is being pushed by all the people who get monetary support from Energy and military industries. It's not about chemicals, it's an agenda to collect some resource or strategic infrastructure. Both reasons are bogus in my frame of mind, but that is the actual impetus behind the war drums.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I don't think a sit down would work. This Syria debacle is exactly like Libya. Now Quaddafi had become a pretty good guy. Good for Libyans. Good for Africans. No more terrorist support and he helped US Intelligence take down A. Q. Khan's nuke network (he is footloose in Pakistan and a National hero there.) and apparently some International OIL power network wanted more drilling in Libya. That would be the agenda that was promoted. Who's agenda is being promoted in Syrial? This issue has nothing to do with Chemical warfare and some group in this gov't of ours wants this war and it is being pushed by all the people who get monetary support from Energy and military industries. It's not about chemicals, it's an agenda to collect some resource or strategic infrastructure. Both reasons are bogus in my frame of mind, but that is the actual impetus behind the war drums.

    Another accurate assessment Dave!

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya SN .....I think we should stay out and let it break up into the 3 regions it is. Then take things from there.
    You can't just keep breaking up the minority groups into smaller and smaller camps. Those animals need to learn to work together. Could you imagine if the U.S. just splintered off to form a new nation everytime a minority group had a hissy? We'd be split into more than just 50 states. Every county and parish in our country would be it's own separate nation.

    Assad protects minority rights. He's the one we need to support. You want to know why the rebels rose up against him? Because he was preventing Christians and smaller muslim groups from being slaughtered and the rebels didn't like it. He prevented religion from dictating politics and the Islamic fighters want a theocracy.

    Lastly who cares if he used chemical weapons on the opposition. We dropped a friggin nuclear bomb on Japan. We justify torture via with Orwellian newspeak and engage in "enhanced interrogation techniques". We hold people without trail for indefinite periods of time with no evidence presented at Guantanamo Bay.

    If the KKK or Black Panthers or whatever fringe group rose up against the president I would support them being crushed with any means necessary. Assad doesn't have our sophisticated technology or weapons and so he used what he had, which was chemical weapons. IWhy the hell is it our business if he did?

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    You can't just keep breaking up the minority groups into smaller and smaller camps. Those animals need to learn to work together. Could you imagine if the U.S. just splintered off to form a new nation everytime a minority group had a hissy? We'd be split into more than just 50 states. Every county and parish in our country would be it's own separate nation.

    Assad protects minority rights. He's the one we need to support. You want to know why the rebels rose up against him? Because he was preventing Christians and smaller muslim groups from being slaughtered and the rebels didn't like it. He prevented religion from dictating politics and the Islamic fighters want a theocracy.

    Lastly who cares if he used chemical weapons on the opposition. We dropped a friggin nuclear bomb on Japan. We justify torture via with Orwellian newspeak and engage in "enhanced interrogation techniques". We hold people without trail for indefinite periods of time with no evidence presented at Guantanamo Bay.

    If the KKK or Black Panthers or whatever fringe group rose up against the president I would support them being crushed with any means necessary. Assad doesn't have our sophisticated technology or weapons and so he used what he had, which was chemical weapons. IWhy the hell is it our business if he did?
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Read the article more closely. It claims that perhaps Assad was not the one to order it because there is no evidence leading to him directly.

    1. That's a stupid argument requiring impossible intel.
    2. It doesn't matter if he personally authorized it. Losing control of his military to the point of them using WMDs without his order is unacceptable.
    There are still unproven claims that the administration is making, regarding to this chemical weapons attack.

    Top 10 Unproven Claims for War Against Syria | Dennis J. Kucinich

    The fact of the matter is that there has yet to be conclusive evidence that the Assad regime used chemical weapons.
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    There are still unproven claims that the administration is making, regarding to this chemical weapons attack.

    Top 10 Unproven Claims for War Against Syria | Dennis J. Kucinich

    The fact of the matter is that there has yet to be conclusive evidence that the Assad regime used chemical weapons.
    When a dictator slaughtering tens of thousands of civilians loses control of his WMDs, it's time for him to go.

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