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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well that is precisely what russia wants. As to these retired men having up to the minute info, probably not, but certainly more than you and I. Also, they join a growing crowd from both sides of the isle saying the same thing. Do you think there are only republicans expressing this? Also 20-30 year veterans who still have friends on the inside are still quite connected, not totally, as I'm sure there's lots of classified materials that their buddies on the inside aren't specifically disclosing.
    That's the point. Making statements of fact without all the info is in my opinion, silly. I tend to ignore people such as this.

    I retired from the U.S.Navy in 1996, up until about 3 years ago I had some good friends that were still in. We would talk every now and then, talk about the changes going on and about missions they had been on. But as a former sailor there were things that I didn't have the need nor clearance to know. Same with this guy.
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by BMCM View Post
    That's the point. Making statements of fact without all the info is in my opinion, silly. I tend to ignore people such as this.

    I retired from the U.S.Navy in 1996, up until about 3 years ago I had some good friends that were still in. We would talk every now and then, talk about the changes going on and about missions they had been on. But as a former sailor there were things that I didn't have the need nor clearance to know. Same with this guy.
    The point being that there are more people that agree with them than you. Including the majority of Americans that aren't buying it, nor should they. There simply is no logic (oh and how many times does it have to be mentioned, no evidence) that president Assad used chemical weapons on his civilians.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There simply is no logic (oh and how many times does it have to be mentioned, no evidence) that president Assad used chemical weapons on his civilians.
    As of today, the EU now disagrees with the 'illogical' argument...

    EU blames Assad for chemical attack in nuanced message | Reuters
    Sat Sep 7, 2013

    The European Union on Saturday laid the blame for an August chemical attack in Syria on the government of President Bashar al-Assad, but stopped short of explicitly supporting a military response by the West. The carefully worded message from foreign ministers of 28 EU governments meeting in Vilnius allowed France to claim victory in its push to get the EU to agree that Assad was responsible for the attack in which more than 1,400 may have been killed. But it also made clear that the bloc wanted the United Nations to have a role in agreeing an international response, reflecting the position of countries including Germany which oppose taking action before a team of U.N. inspectors can present its findings on the incident. After the EU agreement, Germany said it would sign a statement supported by 11 nations at the Group of Twenty summit in St. Petersburg, Russia, on Friday that backed a "strong" response to the alleged use of sarin gas against civilians. Germany said it did not sign on Friday because it wanted to see an EU consensus on the issue first.

    EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said the ministers meeting in the Lithuanian capital had agreed that information from a wide variety of sources "seems to indicate strong evidence" of the Syrian government's responsibility. The ministers agreed that the world "cannot remain idle" and said a clear and strong response was needed to prevent any future use of chemical weapons in Syria, she said. They made no direct mention of any military action, contemplated by the United States and France however.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    "SEEMS to indicate strong evidence" is weak language coming out of that body. I see Kerry was over there twisting arms.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    By Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials

    Editor Note: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

    MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

    FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

    SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

    Precedence: IMMEDIATE

    We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”


    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...snt-assad.html
    What do you mean!? The government could possibly be misinterpretting data so that they can do what they want? But others on this board have claimed that it's incontrovertible! The government said it and thus it must be true and now we gots to bomb him!
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    That's a great article. Nothing that hasn't been stated clearly on this forum, but nice to see some sanity on a more public level. This war is clearly someone's agenda, but it is hard to define, other than to acknowledge the interests that profit monetarily from these misadventures. That would be the Military/Industrial/Corporate complex and promotion or marketing to enhance profits is SOP. Then again, one cannot ignore the first profits of war to the large Energy Corporations. Do these groups have disproportionate power? Does a cat have an ass? Gee, another big co inky dink, war on oily resource geography.
    Well I think Monte, you, and I have been stating things clearly. Just to name a few. Many others have come out questioning Team Obama and the Neo Cons play.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Don't know what's true and what's not anymore. With any supposed intelligence coming from the White House. Under ANY president.

    To think we are either entitled to, or know, "the rest of the story," is arrogant and stupid almost beyond belief.

    But here's what I think: We've GOT to change what we're doing overall. It's not working. We are simply reacting. And, in this case, reacting in the worst possible way. Upping the ante, so to speak. It's not WORKING!!

    If I were President of the United States, I would want a sit-down with Syria's leadership. I would ask him to his face if his government was responsible for chemical attacks. If he said no, which I would expect him to do, I would ask him how he can guarantee it will never happen again. Or, if it does, what he thinks the world should do about it. Because it is UNACCEPTABLE.

    Then I would want a sit-down with rebel leadership and ask the same exact thing.

    Eye-to-eye, man-to-man. One last ditch effort to make sure it never happens again. "We are watching you. If it happens again? We will ask not one more question. We will act on our intelligence and carpet bombing of either side is a foregone conclusion."
    Nothing like looking one in the eyes Maggie.....huh? Ole School Chicago Common Sense. Face to face!!!!!

    But Obama and France know.....Assad didn't order the Attacks. So truthfully on that aspect they can't say that he did.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    There is still a lot of questioning as to if Assad launched the weapons:

    "With the United States threatening to attack Syria, U.S. and allied intelligence services are still trying to work out who ordered the poison gas attack on rebel-held neighborhoods near Damascus.

    No direct link to President Bashar al-Assad or his inner circle has been publicly demonstrated, and some U.S. sources say intelligence experts are not sure whether the Syrian leader knew of the attack before it was launched or was only informed about it afterward." (Direct link between Assad and gas attack elusive for U.S.)


    "U.S. intelligence officials are not so certain that the suspected chemical attack was carried out on Assad’s orders, or even completely sure it was carried out by government forces, the officials said." (News from The Associated Press)

    More can be found here: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/...l-weapons.html
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The point being that there are more people that agree with them than you. Including the majority of Americans that aren't buying it, nor should they. There simply is no logic (oh and how many times does it have to be mentioned, no evidence) that president Assad used chemical weapons on his civilians.
    Having not seen the evidence myself I would say there's a 50/50 chance that one side or the other used these chemicals. Which side has yet to be determined. I just find it hard to believe someones blog. Most people with blogs have an agenda, I chose to make my own decisions based on facts, not what someone's blog tells me to believe.
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    "SEEMS to indicate strong evidence" is weak language coming out of that body.
    On the contrary, this is strong language from the normally sedate EU.

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