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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well there are a multiplicity of plausible futures, but there are also many ways in which no strikes have a positive effect.
    Tough talk of military strikes should never have come from Obama's mouth.
    He knew there was no support for it, never will be.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Tough talk of military strikes should never have come from Obama's mouth.
    He knew there was no support for it, never will be.
    well, the most important part of a threat is credibility. I'd say we just flushed a good bit of ours.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, the most important part of a threat is credibility. I'd say we just flushed a good bit of ours.
    Its credible, just not plausable. We as a nation can very easily back up the tough talk to the point of turning the whole ME into the proverbial sheet of glass.
    But everyone over there now knows we wont do it. They know we are weak of mind and heart.
    Now, we just look like the drunk blow hard in a bar swaggering around like we are looking for a fight. Then someone steps up, and we come up with a million excuses to not step out side.
    Then what is worse, our former enemy has to step in and provide cover for the very person we were so eager to fight.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In Libya, coalition forces only killed 1k civilians. That's reality.
    Nice selective memory. What about Iraq? How any with drones? They'll likely never report or even co.pile the full of those stats.
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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nice selective memory. What about Iraq? How any with drones? They'll likely never report or even co.pile the full of those stats.
    Do you think Syria is more like Libya or Iraq. Let's be real. The 1k is total civilians by coalition forces. We're ~60k civilians late, and it's time to end that dictatorship.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by rhinefire View Post
    Does anybody else find it peculiar that Hillary has been mysteriously silent through all of this Syria stuff.
    No, not at all. what is her post in the Obama administration? That said, she spoke up today, one of the things she said was that the Russians had best make sure that president Assad does in fact turn over all his chemical weapons to the international community, or else "we" will hold them accountable. So Iran and Syria aren't the only ones that make threats, their just the evil ones for making threats. Also she basically said that turning over those weapons wouldn't prevent US action. That, is NOT what Kerry said.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, the most important part of a threat is credibility. I'd say we just flushed a good bit of ours.
    Considering the events of the last 15 years or so, I would say we had no more than a thimble full to flush.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Considering the events of the last 15 years or so, I would say we had no more than a thimble full to flush.
    Exactly!

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Its credible, just not plausable. We as a nation can very easily back up the tough talk to the point of turning the whole ME into the proverbial sheet of glass.
    A "threat" is "capability" plus "intent". Force is useless if you aren't willing to use it and everyone knows that.

    But everyone over there now knows we wont do it. They know we are weak of mind and heart.
    Yup. We seem to have spent the last handful of years doing our best to demonstrate the truthfulness of the "Weak Horse" thesis.

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    Re: 12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Do you think Syria is more like Libya or Iraq. Let's be real. The 1k is total civilians by coalition forces. We're ~60k civilians late, and it's time to end that dictatorship.
    Seeing as this conflict seems to be starting out exactly like Iraq and we haven't shown any improvement in leadership since then...well I doubt it's going to be Libya.

    But Russia will take the chemical weapons so we won't have to invade.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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