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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    a sort of Con broken record.
    hey it's your guy that is large and in charge.
    He's the One wanting to fire off a few Tomahawks to save face, not us Cons

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Obama must be a genius when it comes to fighting a war. Order 1/5th of your surface warships in the Mediterranean Sea to return home before the shooting starts.


    "<The guided missile destroyer USS Mahan (DDG-72) has left the Eastern Mediterranean en route to its homeport at Naval Station Norfolk, Va., according to several press reports.

    Mahan’s departure leaves four destroyers left to undertake an anticipated limited strike on Syria.


    Mahan had a planned ballistic missile defense (BMD) deployment extended in the U.S. 6th fleet area of operations while it waited for the U.S. to take action against the regime of Bashar al-Assad for an alleged chemical weapons attack on Aug. 21.

    Four destroyers — USS Stout (DDG-55), USS Ramage (DDG-61), USS Barry (DDG-52) and USS Gravely (DDG-107) — are left in Tomahawk Land Attack Missile (TLAM) in range of Syrian targets.

    There are also likely U.S. submarines in the region to assist in the attack, although the Navy does not typically discuss the positions of its submarine force. '<

    Continue.-> Destroyer USS Mahan Leaves Eastern Mediterranean | USNI News
    If I'm not mistaken, Russia, with a naval base in Syria, has 12 surface or undersurface naval assets in the Mediterranian now as well. That being the case, I don't think the numbers of ships America has on site now is indicative of less ability to carry out the suggested actions in Syria and I doubt that the Russians are going to engage American battleships in the Mediterranian if they should start attacking Syrian facilities, but you never know.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh...my...god...

    Hint: a moving carrier makes wind and compensates for a lack of wind or wind in the wrong direction by doing things like accelerating. You can conduct fullscale carrier ops in both the Red Sea and the Gulf.
    What if you have a 30 knot wind at your stern ? It's as if there is no wind if you're moving at 30 kts. in the same direction as the wind. It's as if the carrier is at a dead stop with no wind.

    How long does it take to put an entire carrier air wing into the air ? How many miles will have the carrier traveled ? Then you have to retrieve those aircraft.

    But then again, if things are still the same as they have been for the past three years, 50 % of the aircraft on the Nimitz are incapable of flying because of Obama's defense cuts before the Obama sequestration. The lack of funds for spare parts and maintance.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, Russia, with a naval base in Syria, has 12 surface or undersurface naval assets in the Mediterranian now as well. That being the case, I don't think the numbers of ships America has on site now is indicative of less ability to carry out the suggested actions in Syria and I doubt that the Russians are going to engage American battleships in the Mediterranian if they should start attacking Syrian facilities, but you never know.
    Look at how one of the worlds most stupidest wars began, the First World War.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Look at how one of the worlds most stupidest wars began, the First World War.
    This is very true - I'm not suggesting all the assets in the Mediterranian is a good idea nor is an attack on Syria, just that there's a lot there on both sides and I'm sure, if the US assets are attacked by Russia or the Syrians, the British assets there as well as other NATO assets in the Red Sea and/or Persian Gulf will hot foot it over for a great big mess.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    Syria and their supporters just lay there and take it like a cheap hooker?
    In all honesty, that's exactly what I would bet they do. No country wants to directly go toe to tow with the U.S. military. I would imagine groups like Hezbolah will increase cowardly attacks against Israel, but then again they do that anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    my 2 cents... either you do nothing or you do something big enough to convince everyone that you are not bull****ting around. a half-assed "token" strike isn't going to accomplish anything except piss people off.
    My problem with this operation that Obama will do is exactly what you put here. It's not going to accomplish anything and it costs us in the long run in regards to credibility around the world and the cost of the weapons. I really doubt Iran or Russia is going to directly do anything militarily to the U.S. in response, they aren't that stupid. And the terrorist groups go after Israel regardless of what they or we do anyway so no, I'm not concerned there either.

    I don't think we should go in there when the rest of the U.N. doesn't give a **** about the place either. Either we go there under a directive of the U.N. with other countries support, moneyand troops to kick out Assad and (as a whole world group) go in for nation building or we shouldn't do ****.

    This operation Obama is proposing is half-assed and not worth going through with in it's current from without U.N. support of money and troops.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Look at how one of the worlds most stupidest wars began, the First World War.
    Different time, different attitudes, and different techonology. While I don't agree with Obama's proposal, I don't think it's going to start WW3 either.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Funny thing about that pesky duya 3 no one ever saw it coming, the fall of the house of Saud was so unexpected

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I have never said we have to invade. your boy, Obama, said a token/limited strike with a handful of cruise missiles is NOT enormous consequences
    First things first-
    I know cons have little respect for The President- how ever using the term 'your boy' is just piss ignorant.

    Next, no one said the consequences end with a limited strike. But the President isn't a King- no matter how many times Cons say so. He will need the support of Congress for truly enormous consequences, but to my mind even a limited strike is enormous to a nation like Syria locked in a civil war. Strike a dozen command centers- which are detected by electronic emissions not just 'Google Earth' and that could be of enormous consequences. The consequences could be very 'enormous' to the high command of Syria.

    There are other options available if Assad uses more chemical weapons. You believe in jump big or do nothing... others believe in scaling the response to the situation. What you call token may very well be far more impressive. Odd you can tell the effect of a strike that has not happened yet.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    hey it's your guy that is large and in charge.
    He's the One wanting to fire off a few Tomahawks to save face, not us Cons
    OH PLAHEEEEEASE... Cons have been demanding far stronger intervention for over a year now. You REALLY don't pay much attention do you? There are some cons want to just sit and watch, some have been chomping at the bit to get in there.

    More con games....

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