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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I know it's been done before but why don't we do it any more ? There are two reasons. It takes a large area to maneuver and carry out carrier flight operations. SOP is to put the carrier into the wind. The Navy still hasn't figured out how to control the direction of the wind. The Persian Gulf like the Red Sea are too small to carry out full carrier operations. But the biggest problem was all of the dust and sand that commonly is blowing across the Persian Gulf and Red Sea. It just does too much damage to our aircraft and our ships electronics.
    And I would have said because we are no longer conducting close air support in Iraq the carriers no longer play in the Persian Gulf. No mission, close to too many enemies and too crowded so another Vincennces incident could occur or another suicide boat on a screening vessel of the carrier group.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    and just "HOW" are we going to do that? and just "HOW MANY" missiles is that going to take?
    That's easy, a token gesture could be accomplished by just one Destroyer? Am I right?

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so you admit you have no idea what "the mission" actually is...but you can say with confidence: how can you believe the Navy has enough missiles in the area to accomplish the mission....if you don't even know what the mission is?
    More Con quibble. It will be a LIMITED strike. Yes I do believe the US Navy has enough missiles on hand for that. If you need numbers they have at least 50 missiles and that is enough for a LIMITED strike.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    That's easy, a token gesture could be accomplished by just one Destroyer? Am I right?
    sure..but is a token gesture really going to "show the butcher Assad that launching chemical weapons has consequences"????
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You can conduct carrier operations in both. I have done so. Also, do you know how long it takes a carrier group to traverse the Red Sea an d Suez Canal? Hint: It isn't long.
    Are you aware that last week that Egyptian Islamist tried to attack a cargo ship transiting the Suez Canal ? If they would have succeeded in sinking that ship, the canal would be out of business for months, maybe for years. Europe would be screwed big time.

    Last week the international maritime industry said they are looking at using the Arctic as a route from getting ships from the Pacific to Europe if the worse case scenario happens.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    More Con quibble. It will be a LIMITED strike. Yes I do believe the US Navy has enough missiles on hand for that. If you need numbers they have at least 50 missiles and that is enough for a LIMITED strike.
    so now...suddenly.... you "know" the mission will be a LIMITED strike? talk about quibble.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    How much does it cost to do so ?

    Satellites are in a fixed orbit. They are never sitting in one place or are they moving at 20 or 30 nautical miles per hour. So you wouldn't be able to track a CSG 24/7. Ships can change course easily. Satellites take some time to accomplish changing an orbit of a satellite. There positioning can be changed but it's not as easy as you think. You can't change a satellite equatorial orbit to a polar orbit.

    Since satellites can only cover a fraction of the oceans, America, NATO, China, Russia have maritime patrol aircraft that go out searching for the other guys ships. It's a big ocean out there and if all of the U.S. Navy ships were to all be tied up together, what are you looking at, less than a couple of square miles in 7,848,000 sq. mi. of oceans.
    Satellites have these high tech devices called camera's. They can zoom in and out. Coverage depends on level of zoom. You do not need a whole lot of zoom to follow a carrier battle group.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so now...suddenly.... you "know" the mission will be a LIMITED strike? talk about quibble.
    another Con game- I know what has been said...limited strike, not invasion, not attempt to enforce no-fly zones. So yes you spew more Con quibble

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    I know it's been done before but why don't we do it any more ?

    There are two reasons. It takes a large area to maneuver and carry out carrier flight operations. SOP is to put the carrier into the wind. The Navy still hasn't figured out how to control the direction of the wind. The Persian Gulf like the Red Sea are too small to carry out full carrier operations.

    But the biggest problem was all of the dust and sand that commonly is blowing across the Persian Gulf and Red Sea. It just does too much damage to our aircraft and our ships electronics.
    Oh...my...god...

    Hint: a moving carrier makes wind and compensates for a lack of wind or wind in the wrong direction by doing things like accelerating. You can conduct fullscale carrier ops in both the Red Sea and the Gulf.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    You're so gullible Redress. I suppose I should have entered a smiley.

    Most people are aware that the guidance system used today on Tomahawks are different than used during the Clinton era and that Clinton never asked Congress to replace the hundreds of Tomahawks he used during his eight years as Cn'C just like why we ran out of .50 cal. machingun ammunition during the Iraq war. Clinton didn't replace the ammunition that was being used during eight years of training.
    So you continue your ignorance just because learning would mean knowing things uncomfortable to you.
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