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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here, let me help you out:

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    As you can see, Syria is right near the Red Sea. Please stop making yourself look silly.
    We're going to launch missiles through Jordanian airspace? I can't see that happening.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    There are currently four US guided-missile destroyers in the Mediterranean Sea. Each has a complement of ~45 cruise missiles. SOP is to have two Ohio-class SSGN cruise-missile submarines in the Mediterranean. Probably the USS Florida and USS Georgia. Each submarine is equipped with 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles. With overflight clearance from regional allies Turkey and Jordan, the two US carrier battle groups currently in the Fifth Fleet AOR (Nimitz/Truman) could easily strike Syria with cruise missiles from the Red Sea. Each carrier also has ~90 heavily armed fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters. Turkey hosts a very large US airbase at Incirlik. In addition, US-based B-2 strategic bombers and B-1 bombers based in Qatar could also strike Syria with cruise missiles. Even with the departure of the USS Mahan, the US military can apply more than enough force projection in-theater.


    No need for US warships to return stateside to refuel. The amphibious landing ship USS San Antonio (2000 Marines) is currently docked and refueling in Haifa, Israel. The large Italian naval bases at Taranto and Naples are also available.
    No biggie simplexity, but there are no longer Carrier Battle Groups, they are called Carrier Strike Groups. They made the change during the G.W. Bush administration I believe when Gates was Sec. Def. You'll also notice there are less escorts than back when they were CBG.

    " Proceedings" ran a comment on the change but I didn't read it.
    There's always the theory that the word "battle" was politically incorrect.

    More likely originally CBG were organized to do battle with enemy fleets, But since post WW ll the carrier's aircraft have mostly been used for conducting strike missions against land targets.

    I hope your not as bad as Redress. I'm quite aware that ships don't have to travel 3,000 miles to refuel. An Arleigh Burke destroyer range at 20 knt. is only 4,400 miles. But remember back when once a ship left it's homeport it was always refuel at sea ? Which was brought up during the investigation of the Al Qaeda attack on the USS Cole. Why did the Cole had to go to a some what unfriendly foreign port to refuel ? Because almost half of the Navy's oilers were decommissioned during the Clinton administration. The fleet was over downsized.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We're going to launch missiles through Jordanian airspace? I can't see that happening.

    Maybe you should read and/or watch the Communist News Network, also known as CNN
    U.S. increasing military forces in Jordan - CNN.com

    -- Due to security concerns in Jordan, which borders the Syrian civil war, a combat-equipped detachment of about 700 U.S. troops will remain in the country following training exercises that ended this week, President Barack Obama told Congress on Friday.

    In a letter to comply with the War Powers Act, Obama notified Congress that the detachment staying behind at the request of the Jordanian government included "Patriot missile systems, fighter aircraft, and related support, command, control and communications personnel and systems."
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Maybe you should read and/or watch the Communist News Network, also known as CNN
    Maybe you should do some of your own research and stop thinking that everything is mutually exclusive.

    Jordan: No attacks on Syria from our soil - CBS News
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, if a destroyer had teleported to the Libyan coast and psychically known which building to fire a salvo over the top of, lives might have been saved.
    Sending in one Texas Ranger would have been better than doing nothing.

    One Al Qaeda attack, one Texas Ranger.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Ahh yes, more wailing and arm flailing... you really think the Russians are going to attack our ships?

    Oh there is more than enough money to refuel the USS Mahan, you are just wolf whistling. You keep harping on some sensitivity training but for the life of me I can't see why a carrier can't do that at sea and why a couple of months makes that big a difference. I didn't forget how to be a grunt 2 months after leaving the service. We are not there to invade or bomb syria back to the stone age. You are stuck pretending it is 1968 instead of 2013.
    I love how these Obama Supporters/Progressives are suddenly these warmongering, bloodthirsty armchair Generals.

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I love how these Obama Supporters/Progressives are suddenly these warmongering, bloodthirsty armchair Generals.

    I don't see all "Obama Supporters/Progressives are suddenly these warmongering, bloodthirsty armchair Generals". They are simply pointing out the rather odd negativity of the right wing toward military action now that a Dem is President. In fact most of the progressives are against military action in Syria but that doesn't mean they can't note the hypocrisy of so many on the right.

    After 12 years of war, most Americans are against stepping into yet another conflict. The reasons why they are against the proposed attacks on Syria are however quite diverse.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I don't see all "Obama Supporters/Progressives are suddenly these warmongering, bloodthirsty armchair Generals". They are simply pointing out the rather odd negativity of the right wing toward military action now that a Dem is President. In fact most of the progressives are against military action in Syria but that doesn't mean they can't note the hypocrisy of so many on the right.

    After 12 years of war, most Americans are against stepping into yet another conflict. The reasons why they are against the proposed attacks on Syria are however quite diverse.
    Nothing odd or negative about not supporting military action that will not solve anything but will create additional problems. We've seen it in Libya already, now the same Dem President wants to raise the stakes with the same type nonsense in Syria. Supporting our enemy that we are at war with is stupid.
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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I love how these Obama Supporters/Progressives are suddenly these warmongering, bloodthirsty armchair Generals.
    Laughing and I love the hyper rhetoric some on the right use.

    I did my time under a ruck so I have more than just armchair experience.

    Now unlike the warmongering, bloodthirsty chickenhawk neo-cons of the Iraqi War, I never said invade.

    Back when Clinton launched a few missiles in retaliation no self respecting Con called that blood thirsty did they?

    So you seem to be making crap up.... but then again that seems to be a Con tactic....

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    Re: 1/5 th of the USN surface warships depart the Mediterranean Sea.

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Sending in one Texas Ranger would have been better than doing nothing.

    One Al Qaeda attack, one Texas Ranger.
    Yes! I like that!

    Good evening, APACHERAT!

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