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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Buchanan's history speaks for itself. So does Rumsfeld's. Having to listen to these two klowns on MSM renews the memory of mistakes over the last 30 years that House Repubs are all of a sudden in a rush to not repeat so we don't remember.
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    Just because Buchanan opposes the way the west allows Israel to get away with murder doesn't mean he hates Israel. He's critical of Israeli policies and western complacency. But what does any of that have to do with his very logical point on the Syrian chemical attacks.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    There's more to it than that, Montecresto. I agree people should be able to criticize Israel's policies without being condemned as Nazis. But there's more to Buchanan than that. He dog whistles a lot to anti-Semitism, ranting about bankers with suspiciously Jewish names for instance. His tendency to praise Nazi German with faint damnation is odious. His defense of Nazi war criminals was ugly.

    So honestly, be careful about having Buchanan in your camp.
    Buchanan isn't in my camp. And anything truly racist or hateful, I wouldn't agree with him on.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    I'll move your post back to the 1930's when Repubs were appeasing Germany led by Prescott Bush. I just heard Rumsfeld blame Powell for the presentation to the UN. It's never-ending with these LIARs.
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    There's more to it than that, Montecresto. I agree people should be able to criticize Israel's policies without being condemned as Nazis. But there's more to Buchanan than that. He dog whistles a lot to anti-Semitism, ranting about bankers with suspiciously Jewish names for instance. His tendency to praise Nazi German with faint damnation is odious. His defense of Nazi war criminals was ugly.

    So honestly, be careful about having Buchanan in your camp.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Buchanan's history speaks for itself. So does Rumsfeld's. Having to listen to these two klowns on MSM renews the memory of mistakes over the last 30 years that House Repubs are all of a sudden in a rush to not repeat so we don't remember.
    Ok. I'm not going to disagree with you about that because I don't want this thread to become about Buchanan. His observation is shared. One thing nobody can do is posit a logical explanation for why Assad would make the mistake of using chemical weapons on his civilians, who largely support him. And as Buchanan correctly points out, he would be inviting a US attack that the US would love to give him. Furthermore it would undermine China and Russia's credibility in supporting him. IT MAKES NO SENSE. The rebels have EVERYTHING to gain by Assad getting blamed! So.................

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    “…First, this thing reeks of a false flag operation,” said Buchanan. “I would not understand or comprehend that Bashar al-Assad, no matter how bad a man he may be, would be so stupid as to order a chemical weapons attack on civilians in his own country when the immediate consequence of which might be that he would be at war with the United States. So this reeks of a false flag operation.”

    Of course it does. Only apologists for the administration, partisans and warmongers believe otherwise.
    So...Let me try to understand the logic here: Assad would never gas his opponents because that would mean confrontation with Washington and Paris. He was framed. (Unless, of course, he thinks that's what we would think).

    But this is all sheer nonsense.

    Comrade Assad is fighting for his life, in a brutal civil war. He is the last of the three Baathist dictators standing. The other two - Saddam and Qaddafi - died in a manner that leaves very little room for wishful thinking - or for any ten-steps-ahead strategy games. This is not a party of chess. This is about survival: there will be no legal rigmarole, like with Mubarak, or Pinochet, or even Todor bleeping Zhivkov - not all crimes are created equal, and Bashar knows exactly where his Daddy's regime sits, in the spectrum of the 20th century tyrannies.

    Put yourself into the shoes of the thug: What do you have to lose? You absolutely have to inflict the maximum damage possible onto your opponents, NOW. By any means available.

    What happens later - who knows? Did the world unite to overthrow Saddam after he - undeniably and openly - gassed the Kurds? Eh, not exactly.

    Will your milk brothers, mighty Comrades Pu and Xi save the day? Maybe. Maybe not.

    It is a gamble, sure. But in a knife fight, you don't theorize about what may happen half an hour from now. You block the other guy's moves, as effectively as you can.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I'll move your post back to the 1930's when Repubs were appeasing Germany led by Prescott Bush. I just heard Rumsfeld blame Powell for the presentation to the UN. It's never-ending with these LIARs.
    Wow! Really? Rummy's punking Powell.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    So...Let me try to understand the logic here: Assad would never gas his opponents because that would mean confrontation with Washington and Paris. He was framed. (Unless, of course, he thinks that's what we would think).

    But this is all sheer nonsense.

    Comrade Assad is fighting for his life, in a brutal civil war. He is the last of the three Baathist dictators standing. The other two - Saddam and Qaddafi - died in a manner that leaves very little room for wishful thinking - or for any ten-steps-ahead strategy games. This is not a party of chess. This is about survival: there will be no legal rigmarole, like with Mubarak, or Pinochet, or even Todor bleeping Zhivkov - not all crimes are created equal, and Bashar knows exactly where his Daddy's regime sits, in the spectrum of the 20th century tyrannies.

    Put yourself into the shoes of the thug: What do you have to lose? You absolutely have to inflict the maximum damage possible onto your opponents, NOW. By any means available.

    What happens later - who knows? Did the world unite to overthrow Saddam after he - undeniably and openly - gassed the Kurds? Eh, not exactly.

    Will your milk brothers, mighty Comrades Pu and Xi save the day? Maybe. Maybe not.

    It is a gamble, sure. But in a knife fight, you don't theorize about what may happen half an hour from now. You block the other guy's moves, as effectively as you can.
    No! Wrong. He is being accused of using chemical weapons on his civilians, not the Islamist extremists that are destroying his country. See post #24.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    You're asking me to explain the actions of a madman. And you're refuswing to go with what the Republican grown-ups in the Senate have seen for evidence. That is why this forum is called Debate Politics. Where a piece of garbage like Rep. Joe Wilson can bring up five or six phony scandals at the hearing today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. I'm not going to disagree with you about that because I don't want this thread to become about Buchanan. His observation is shared. One thing nobody can do is posit a logical explanation for why Assad would make the mistake of using chemical weapons on his civilians, who largely support him. And as Buchanan correctly points out, he would be inviting a US attack that the US would love to give him. Furthermore it would undermine China and Russia's credibility in supporting him. IT MAKES NO SENSE. The rebels have EVERYTHING to gain by Assad getting blamed! So.................

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Assad's Father was worse than his son. Rumdum, who was a pal of Saddam, is better at rewriting history than Cheney, who is surprisingly quiet right now. Do you remember Reagan/Bush and their people doing this to Clinton? Or Clinton/Gore and their people doing this to Bush? No, you didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Wow! Really? Rummy's punking Powell.

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    Re: Patrick Buchanan says chemical attack false flag.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You're asking me to explain the actions of a madman. And you're refuswing to go with what the Republican grown-ups in the Senate have seen for evidence. That is why this forum is called Debate Politics. Where a piece of garbage like Rep. Joe Wilson can bring up five or six phony scandals at the hearing today.
    John Kerry and his wife had a nice dinner with president Assad in an upscale restaurant in Damascus a couple years ago and were singing his praises. As has Pelosi and Clinton. He was touted as the great reformer. NATO says he enjoys the support of 70% of his people, why in the hell would he attack them. He's fighting a war on terror against islamist extremist jihadist, the same fellas we fought for 12 years and now find as ally's and so are interfering with Assad's war on terror.

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