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    Liberals reject Obama's case for Syria strikes; believe Obama and Kerry are lying

    President Obama’s liberal activist base is adamantly opposed to military strikes in Syria, according to a new survey the Progressive Change Campaign Committee released Wednesday.

    PCCC says more than 57,000 of its activists weighed in, and 73 percent of them opposed the U.S. taking action in Syria. Just 18 percent supported strikes, and just 14 percent said the U.S. should go ahead unilaterally if it can’t find any allies.

    Indeed, a majority of the activists don’t believe Mr. Obama and Secretary of State John F. Kerry are being honest when they lay out their justifications for taking military action.

    Four out of five activists also said they believe U.S. action will lead to deeper involvement in the civil war.

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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    The really sacry thing would be basing U.S. policy on what that (or any other) tiny minority in the nation thinks.
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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The really sacry thing would be basing U.S. policy on what that (or any other) tiny minority in the nation thinks.
    Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.

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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.
    That's a good thing, isn't it? The whole idea of democracy is that our leaders should, hypothetically, represent the interest of the voters. It is better to see a President losing support than to see voters going along for the ride because they supported Obama in his reelection campaign. I'm proud of the Democratic base, they didn't think war with Iraq was justified and they don't think war with Syria is justified, either. I believe that there can be action taken against Syria that doesn't make the United States responsible for their security. Within those bounds, I'd be happy to support action against that awful government.
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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    how many - from whatever lean - actually thinking getting involved in syria is a good idea?

    we learned from vietnam ... at least until iraq

    now maybe from iraq and afghanistan our citizens have learned again to mind our own damn business
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The really sacry thing would be basing U.S. policy on what that (or any other) tiny minority in the nation thinks.
    Latest poll I saw of the American public on the issue of Syria was that 56% opposed Obama's proposal and 19% approved with the other 25% undecided.

    Sometimes the American people, as a whole, are smarter and more perceptive, less invested in political games, and should be listened to. It might have saved your country from Obamacare in its current form, had politicians listened.
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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.
    Obama's "base" is considerably larger than this tiny subset of left wing loons.
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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Latest poll I saw of the American public on the issue of Syria was that 56% opposed Obama's proposal and 19% approved with the other 25% undecided.

    Sometimes the American people, as a whole, are smarter and more perceptive, less invested in political games, and should be listened to. It might have saved your country from Obamacare in its current form, had politicians listened.
    Yet, as with PPACA it is not up to the people directly. Congress critters know who supplies them their needed massive amounts of campaign cash and exactly what is expected in return for it. 92% of congress critters and the POTUS were re-elected in 2012 - that is all that really matters in DC.
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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, that's not the point. The point is, as has also been mentioned by others, Obama has trouble with his base on this, as he has with NSA.
    Just to be clear, both sides are having problems with their base, so if you are using that as an indication of trouble both sides are in deep ****.

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    Re: Little support from liberal base on Syria

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    That's a good thing, isn't it? The whole idea of democracy is that our leaders should, hypothetically, represent the interest of the voters. It is better to see a President losing support than to see voters going along for the ride because they supported Obama in his reelection campaign. I'm proud of the Democratic base, they didn't think war with Iraq was justified and they don't think war with Syria is justified, either. I believe that there can be action taken against Syria that doesn't make the United States responsible for their security. Within those bounds, I'd be happy to support action against that awful government.
    Yes I agree its a good thing.

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