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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Putin will never be in favor of UN actions against a country's leader for crimes against the leader's own people. To do so would put himself in jeopardy of equal reprisals.
    Good morning, CJ.

    I am not a Putin admirer by a long shot, but I was amazed and pleased to read that he was urging restraint on this Syria mess, instead of using a hard line offense. He went on record by suggesting that everyone wait to see what the UN investigation found. From reading both the posts on DP, plus many comments people have made in our local newspaper, it appears that most of the American people agree with him! Seems even our opponents can sometimes make a good point!

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good morning, CJ.

    I am not a Putin admirer by a long shot, but I was amazed and pleased to read that he was urging restraint on this Syria mess, instead of using a hard line offense. He went on record by suggesting that everyone wait to see what the UN investigation found. From reading both the posts on DP, plus many comments people have made in our local newspaper, it appears that most of the American people agree with him! Seems even our opponents can sometimes make a good point!
    Good morning Lady P - hope all is well with you.

    I'd say Putin may believe in the same desired outcomes here that the majority of American people favor but for entirely different reasons.

    If you want to really know what's behind this, I'd say it's Obama's lack of diplomacy and respect for Russia and Putin in the Snowden matter as well as Obama's cancelling of the two leaders's private sit-down during this week's G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. Putin is now sticking it to Obama.
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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Lady P - hope all is well with you.

    I'd say Putin may believe in the same desired outcomes here that the majority of American people favor but for entirely different reasons.

    If you want to really know what's behind this, I'd say it's Obama's lack of diplomacy and respect for Russia and Putin in the Snowden matter as well as Obama's cancelling of the two leaders's private sit-down during this week's G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. Putin is now sticking it to Obama.
    "Turn about is fair play."

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    Notice the imperial attitude of all these world leaders in how they address each other. Putin is no longer addressing the United States, but Obama.

    Obama is not the King of the U.S. Our Congress runs the show. It's not about what Obama wants, it's about what our Congress votes as being ok action to take.
    I'm not exactly sure where you developed the idea that Congress runs the show. We are not a parliamentary form of government. In theory our branches of government are somewhat co-equal in power (checks and balances), though each has a specific function. In practice, we (the People) have allowed the Imperial Presidency to thrive, particularly since the 1980's.

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Lady P - hope all is well with you.

    I'd say Putin may believe in the same desired outcomes here that the majority of American people favor but for entirely different reasons.

    If you want to really know what's behind this, I'd say it's Obama's lack of diplomacy and respect for Russia and Putin in the Snowden matter as well as Obama's cancelling of the two leaders's private sit-down during this week's G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. Putin is now sticking it to Obama.
    I never thought I'd see Putin as a smart statesman on the world stage! He ignored snubs by BHO while urging restraint on a much larger problem which could affect the entire Mideast.

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Good morning Lady P - hope all is well with you.

    I'd say Putin may believe in the same desired outcomes here that the majority of American people favor but for entirely different reasons.

    If you want to really know what's behind this, I'd say it's Obama's lack of diplomacy and respect for Russia and Putin in the Snowden matter as well as Obama's cancelling of the two leaders's private sit-down during this week's G20 meeting in St. Petersburg. Putin is now sticking it to Obama.
    For me, Putin's reasons for being right are irrelevant if it goes the distance in avoiding MORE carnage in Syria due to US bombing power.

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I'm not exactly sure where you developed the idea that Congress runs the show. We are not a parliamentary form of government. In theory our branches of government are somewhat co-equal in power (checks and balances), though each has a specific function. In practice, we (the People) have allowed the Imperial Presidency to thrive, particularly since the 1980's.

    Unitary executive theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Obama Embraces the Imperial Presidency | National Review Online
    Ronald Reagan and Executive Power | Executive Power and the Contemporary Presidency
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    Totally correct. We have the worlds best disguised dictatorship, one with a rotating seat.

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    For me, Putin's reasons for being right are irrelevant if it goes the distance in avoiding MORE carnage in Syria due to US bombing power.
    Nothing's going to stop the carnage in Syria, whether the US intervenes or not - that's why it's now a bad idea to get involved - two years ago, when the US could have made a difference, was the time to get involved but Obama was busy golfing. Now that there are so many divergent interests involved and proxies for other countries in the region, this will not end well or soon. Add to that the Baathist in charge, a minority in the country like Sadaam's ruling party in Iraq, and you have a bunch of "bitter enders" in charge who would rather die destroying the country than surrender and die at that hands of those who take over.
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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nothing's going to stop the carnage in Syria, whether the US intervenes or not - that's why it's now a bad idea to get involved - two years ago, when the US could have made a difference, was the time to get involved but Obama was busy golfing. Now that there are so many divergent interests involved and proxies for other countries in the region, this will not end well or soon. Add to that the Baathist in charge, a minority in the country like Sadaam's ruling party in Iraq, and you have a bunch of "bitter enders" in charge who would rather die destroying the country than surrender and die at that hands of those who take over.
    CJ, why don't you see if you can get the CRMP to take on this job you see as necessary?

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    Re: Putin's Message to Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Gath, all the discrediting examples you point to on Russia equally apply to the US with its selective outrage of human rights abuses!!

    Putin IS correct in the video clip.
    Well you certainly fell for it. Did you not?

    He is not correct entirely in that clip. What he does is use some of correct terms and posits himself not far from those terms so as to sound more true worthy.

    He know that USA and NATO is stretched with campaigns in: Bosnia, Dardania, Avghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Egypt, etc. Some troops have been deployed ever since the 1990's. He knows that the struggle to maintain democracy there is ongoing and that people have started thinking maybe's (i.e., maybe it was a bad idea, maybe they should discussed it more, etc).

    So knowing this he does not claims something more of a distance he goes on saying that they have all (except Dardania) failed. It would not suite his purpose to mention that Dardania the Muslim country entirely benefited from the NATO airstrike and military presence. Same could be said for Bosnia. But he mentions these other areas where the struggle is still on.

    So this is the damnest lie because it sounds soo near reality, yet it is not. Nothing has failed. It is still a struggle, a continuity. It takes more cognitive effort to separate where reality is and where he says he is, how near they are, and how a world a difference Putin's RT and our media mean.
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    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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