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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then he is a socialist pretending to be a capitalist? Where is his socialist abolition of private property? Why hasn't he nationalized ANY of our industries? Where are these socialist measures I don't really see in effect? Or is socialist what you don't like?
    because socialist don't win elections in America so he has to put on a capitalist front but he still pushes for the main socialist philosophy of wealth redistribution just hides it with catch phrases like "paying your fair share"

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, 3rd page on TWO SENTENCES out of 3 pages is what backs up your contention that the REAL reason the ILWU is leaving is because of ObamaCare. And not the AFL's violations of solidarity agreements, attacks on the ILWU by the AFL, lack of support - yes, those two sentences are REALLY the reason they're leaving - and not the fact that the AFL has basically backstabbed the ILWU on a number of more serious occasions.

    Keep trying Rocketman, you obviously didn't read the letter to begin with. Now you're stuck trying to roll the ball. Please, tell me - why is it that the ILWU is leaving the AFL-ICO and only mentions the real reason after 2 and a half pages and on 2 short sentences? It doesn't mention it for 2.9 pages and then picks two measly sentences to cite its real reason? Is that what you want us to believe?
    What part of the word "also" that is in the letter is confusing to you? There was no "real" reason they left. They listed several reasons why they left.

    They made it clear they have had their fill of Obamacare and it hasn't even fully kicked in yet. I will admit though, the smokescreen you are laying down trying to hide that fact is pretty funny.
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    It's funny to see them turn on each other.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You still haven't read the letter cited have you? In a letter that is mostly about the ILWU having a beef with the AFL, you decided that the reason the ILWU was REALLY leaving was because of a tax that is mentioned in what are literally 2 sentences. Read the letter. Then, get back to me. Until then - you're just one more ignorant Libertarian talking out of the side of his mouth.
    Did the union members walk out on the union, or not?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    What part of the word "also" that is in the letter is confusing to you? There was no "real" reason they left. They listed several reasons why they left.

    They made it clear they have had their fill of Obamacare and it hasn't even fully kicked in yet. I will admit though, the smokescreen you are laying down trying to hide that fact is pretty funny.
    Be kind; the Libbos are going to have a hard time with this.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Speaking of basic math. Longshoremen are a fast-disappearing breed since the introduction of shipping containers, mechanisation, and computerised loading. All of these have meant massive job losses world wide. With fewer members contributing, the further loss of members to competing unions who should be prevented from doing so by AFL/CIO agreements which are not being enforced, makes their union's very existence unsustainable. THAT's why they're leaving.
    Is that what they said in the 3 page letter? If they didn't say it in the letter, it doesn't count.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Did the union members walk out on the union, or not?
    Not really, they decided to cease affiliation with the AFL.
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is that what they said in the 3 page letter? If they didn't say it in the letter, it doesn't count.
    Had you read it, you would know. As it is, you uncritically sucked up the latest Con-central lie, and hot-footed it here to spread it. Don't worry, there'll be another one along shortly. Their union will now be independent, so that any protection they did have from membership of the AFL against "poaching" of members by other unions no longer applies. They just moved their union from a rock to a hard place is all.
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    because socialist don't win elections in America so he has to put on a capitalist front but he still pushes for the main socialist philosophy of wealth redistribution just hides it with catch phrases like "paying your fair share"
    So then he hasn't pushed a single socialist reform - like say abolition of property - but his goal is to do just that by keeping up a capitalist front? Well, that's a pretty stupid plan aka conspiracy theory.
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    In what is being reported as a surprise move, the 40,000 members of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) announced that they have formally ended their association with the AFL-CIO, one of the nation’s largest private sector unions. The Longshoremen citied Obamacare and immigration reform as two important causes of their disaffiliation.

    Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Ironic isn't it, Obama is screwing the very people that got him re-elected
    I think Obamacare is pretty much an equal opportunity screw job.

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