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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, and MLK mentions rings in his I have a Dream speech. That doesn't make his speech about telephones. Now, with that aside, why is it that you picked those 2 sentences as the REASON the ILWU is leaving when there are far more obvious reasons for why they're choosing to leave? Is it because it fits your narrative far better? You literally picked 2 sentences out of 3 pages to cite that as THE definite reason for why the ILWU is leaving. You keep talking about people being blind, yet you have serious tunnel vision.
    I picked page three as it is a summary of the first two and gives the obvious example. You should really learn how to read and comprehend business communications so you can make a legitimate arguments when debating them. I don't think you have a business mind and this is way over your pay grade.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Speaking of basic math. Longshoremen are a fast-disappearing breed since the introduction of shipping containers, mechanisation, and computerised loading. All of these have mean massive job losses world wide. With fewer members contributing, the further loss of members to competing unions who should be prevented from doing so by AFL/CIO agreements which are not being enforced, makes their union's very existence unsustainable. THAT's why they're leaving.
    more unions across the country were made weaker by ACA, which has been the Obama goal all along to weaken the workforce

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Yeah they are going to turn to the the Republicans that want them gone lol. I read the letter and it mention ACA twice! Plus it is 11% of the total Union. I am going to take a nap now wake me up when you have something worht reading!
    If they used their leverage they could go wherever they want. Strange that the letter did not say we are staying in part because of the ACA, but that are leaving, in part, because of it.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I picked page three as it is a summary
    Only it wasn't a summary. A summary would imply that the reasons being mentioned on that page have been mentioned before. Did you read the letter? It still doesn't sound like you did. Please do. Page 3 is a continuation of a paragraph started on page 2 - which cites:

    - Shakiness of the AFL
    - ObamaCare
    - Immigration reform
    - The ILWU's refusal to compromise

    All of which are reasons which are NEVER mentioned throughout the other 2 pages because the other 2 pages are composed of OTHER reason the ILWU leaving the AFL-CIO.

    Again, you're looking mighty desperate. This letter is a list of reasons as to why the ILWU is leaving the AFL-CIO. One of which is ObamaCare and yet it isn't even the primary reason for leaving because they cite about 8 other reasons LONG before they cite ObamaCare. Your narrative is starting to fall apart.
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    more unions across the country were made weaker by ACA, which has been the Obama goal all along to weaken the workforce

    You really need to stop taking Breitbart seriously.
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    You really need to stop taking Breitbart seriously.
    It doesn't even follow his narrative about Obama being a socialist. Either he's pro-unions or he's anti-unions. Which is it?
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It doesn't even follow his narrative about Obama being a socialist. Either he's pro-unions or he's anti-unions. Which is it?
    The key to ObamaCare was always redistribution of Medical Coverage wealth. Anyone who thought there was a big pile of Free Money sitting in a pile to be tapped was an idiot. No, money for subsidies for the poor would come from where it always comes from, the Middle Class.

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    The key to ObamaCare was always redistribution of Medical Coverage wealth. Anyone who thought there was a big pile of Free Money sitting in a pile to be tapped was an idiot. No, money for subsidies for the poor would come from where it always comes from, the Middle Class.
    So - is Obama a socialist? Or is he not?
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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So - is Obama a socialist? Or is he not?
    he is a closet socialist trying to put on a capitalist veneer
    look he has to pay for this train wreck some how and there isn't enough rich people to tax their Cadillac insurance policies to foot the bill so he has to come up with the money somewhere so why not hit up the big insurance pools of unions. democrats always felt they have the union vote locked in just like the black community that they have done nothing for

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    Re: Citing Obamacare, 40,000 Longshoremen Quit the AFL-CIO

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    he is a closet socialist trying to put on a capitalist veneer
    look he has to pay for this train wreck some how and there isn't enough rich people to tax their Cadillac insurance policies to foot the bill so he has to come up with the money somewhere so why not hit up the big insurance pools of unions. democrats always felt they have the union vote locked in just like the black community that they have done nothing for
    So then he is a socialist pretending to be a capitalist? Where is his socialist abolition of private property? Why hasn't he nationalized ANY of our industries? Where are these socialist measures I don't really see in effect? Or is socialist what you don't like?
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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