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    Re: Appeals court says White House visitor logs can be kept from public

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    I'm seriously asking a question. His promise was "most transparent administration". How has he broken that?

    We're not talking about that, or at least I was not. I was talking about the visitor log promise and/or most transparent. Those other things are completely different issues.

    Which he did.

    After releasing a good portion of it.

    Absolutely. Can you accept I keep asking for specific things and you keep introducing other things not related?

    I'm not trying to be adversarial, I'm simply asking a question. How has he broken his promise to be the most transparent, if he seems to have been the most transparent? And can you please link me to a source where he promised to release the full visitor logs, no exceptions?

    But you are bending reality. You're taking his promise about most transparent and interpreting it to what you WANTED it to mean and are now claiming he broke his promise because he didn't live up to what you wanted it to mean. That is bending reality.

    As I've said before, has his administration been transparent to the degree many of us wanted to believe he'd make it? Probably not, certainly not for you and probably not for me. But to claim he broke his promise because he didn't go to the lengths you thought he would is simply unfair.

    It's not about me and it's not about him. It's about unrealistic expectations and this mentality so many people seem to have where if something done isn't EXACTLY the way we think it should be, then it's worthy of accusations and insults. That's what is going on in this thread. You think Obama hasn't been as transparent as you thought he would, and from that, you claim he broke his promise. The problem is you've really provided no evidence that Obama HASN'T kept his promise to be the most transparent administration, and indeed there is evidence he has been.

    This isn't about Obama, this is about a mentality.
    it's about promising the stars when you know for a fact that you aren't going to be able to deliver the moon. that's the problem i have with it.

    he promised to end secret meetings. he didn't. big deal; there are more important things to worry about in the world. but he didn't keep the promise.

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    Re: Appeals court says White House visitor logs can be kept from public

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's about promising the stars when you know for a fact that you aren't going to be able to deliver the moon. that's the problem i have with it.

    he promised to end secret meetings. he didn't. big deal; there are more important things to worry about in the world. but he didn't keep the promise.
    Again, you keep introducing new information and have not provided any sources to back them up. Could you please show me where he promised to release the full visitor logs? Can you please demonstrate where his administration has not been the most transparent? Could you please provide the full context around your claim that he promised to end secret meetings?

    Again, I'm not trying to be adversarial, but simply throwing around comments without showing the context or even citing sources makes it hard for me to see eye to eye with you on this. My guess is that many of these things simply were never true and they have been skewed by a political media and/or been stripped of context by a country who loves soundbites far more than full understanding. But I could be wrong about that, which is why I'm asking for the support for the things you claim.

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    Re: Appeals court says White House visitor logs can be kept from public

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Again, you keep introducing new information and have not provided any sources to back them up. Could you please show me where he promised to release the full visitor logs? Can you please demonstrate where his administration has not been the most transparent? Could you please provide the full context around your claim that he promised to end secret meetings?

    Again, I'm not trying to be adversarial, but simply throwing around comments without showing the context or even citing sources makes it hard for me to see eye to eye with you on this. My guess is that many of these things simply were never true and they have been skewed by a political media and/or been stripped of context by a country who loves soundbites far more than full understanding. But I could be wrong about that, which is why I'm asking for the support for the things you claim.
    i already did, but you apparently didn't watch the video. here it is again.



    however, i'm sure even this won't convince you. you can have the last word. goodbye.

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    Re: Appeals court says White House visitor logs can be kept from public

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i already did, but you apparently didn't watch the video. here it is again.



    however, i'm sure even this won't convince you. you can have the last word. goodbye.
    You're right, I didn't watch the video earlier due to the fact I couldn't at the time. And now that I've watched it, I must say you're right again when you say it doesn't convince me. His speech said nothing of visitor logs. His talk of transparency referred to the process of creating legislation, and while I'm not sure if Obama's team puts bills online before he signs them, I do know that since he's been President I've noticed most bills being discussed in Congress are posted online in full. I'm not sure if that started with Obama or before, but I do know that's the case. His speech you posted was about transparency regarding legislation being created, and to the best of my knowledge, I'm not sure where you feel he has broken that promise. As I said before, it seems this is a case where what he said has had context stripped out in favor of a sound bite.

    I know you granted me the last word, but I'd really like to see you support your earlier statements with direct context and quotes. Thank you.

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    Re: Appeals court says White House visitor logs can be kept from public

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The President hasn't released his nuclear launch codes to the public! So much for transparency. Thanks, Obama.
    Yes, launch codes and who visits the white house, same thing.

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