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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What a wonderful, wonderful example of conservative education!
    And your idea of a good example of a good education is our public schools taught by teacher unions that could care less if a kid they teach is educated or not. Good one. Every wonder why Obama and all the Hollywood elite send their kid to private schools? Because unions public teachers suck, that why.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    What are you talking about? I just called them producers of innovation. Why do you keep letting your love of welfare queens get in the way of funding the vital research that has kept this country at the forefront of innovation?
    But much of the high-end research in this nation - indeed, in all first-world nations - is taxpayer-funded. Check out CERN sometime - it's the world's largest research facility - and it's not in America.

    Besides, if we want to discuss how much conservatives love science, all I need do is to point out how a majority of government scientists reported that their work was either edited or changed outright to show results different from what their research showed, or they faced pressure to make sure their research proved this or that point, or there were areas of concern that were completely verboten to study. Of course, this was all concerning climate change, anthropomorphic global warming, and we all know how the conservatives are so eager to protect us all against the liberal/scientific cabal that is trying to turn us all into a Stalinist/ELF/PETA camp.

    Come to think of it, that sorta reminds me of how our government statisticians were barred from researching the effect of guns on our society...and then there's the educators - all conservative - who want to insert creationism and 'intelligent design' into our schools, and continually claim that evolution is just a theory (sorta like gravity is just a theory).

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    I guess what it comes down to is that conservatives are eager to support science that agrees with what they want to believe in...but if the science says something they don't want to hear, well, THEN it must be rejected, defunded, barred from the public's ears and eyes.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

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    And your idea of a good example of a good education is our public schools taught by teacher unions that could care less if a kid they teach is educated or not. Good one. Every wonder why Obama and all the Hollywood elite send their kid to private schools? Because unions public teachers suck, that why.
    Really? Right now here in Washington state we've got a teachers' union strike going on. Now I know just the thought of that makes you angry how they're just destroying our kids' educations, right?

    Come to find out, the reason they're striking is because of budget cuts - cuts that will result in classrooms with 35-37 children...and if you've got half a clue about teaching, you know that the smaller the class size, the more individual attention the teacher will be able to give each student...and the better the education as a result.

    With private schools you often have much smaller class sizes.

    Now unions aren't perfect - NO organization is, and the fact that an organization isn't perfect is no reason to get rid of it (although that's what conservatives want to do with any non-conservative organization that has the least little imperfection). But you can't give kids a good education if you're unwilling to spend the money for that education - and this principle goes for private AND public schools. It's like the old saying: you get what you pay for. If you're not willing to pay the taxes necessary for a good public education, then the children in public schools will not get a good education. This is not a guarantee that more money automatically equals a good education, but insufficient money DOES almost guarantee an insufficient education.

    Here, I'll give you a GREAT example. Two years or so ago it was made known that 41% of ALL K-12 teachers in Texas were moonlighting. They were taking second jobs in order to make ends meet. So instead of teachers staying late after school to help students, to grade papers, to make the lesson plan for the next day, they were rushing to get to their second jobs.

    And who suffers? The 40% or so of ALL Texas students that those teachers probably taught...and it was all because of education cuts.

    If the teachers had a strong union in Texas, then 41% of their teachers wouldn't have to be moonlighting in order to feed, shelter, and clothe themselves and their families...and the schoolchildren would be getting more of the attention they desperately need. THIS is why the teachers unions are a very, very good thing.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    The fact is the "intellectuals" have been so horribly wrong over the last 150 years that there is a damn good reason to be wary of them and especially to think twice before basing public policy on their advice. Hell, intellectuals are still defending Marxism.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Really? Right now here in Washington state we've got a teachers' union strike going on. Now I know just the thought of that makes you angry how they're just destroying our kids' educations, right?

    Come to find out, the reason they're striking is because of budget cuts - cuts that will result in classrooms with 35-37 children...and if you've got half a clue about teaching, you know that the smaller the class size, the more individual attention the teacher will be able to give each student...and the better the education as a result.

    With private schools you often have much smaller class sizes.

    Now unions aren't perfect - NO organization is, and the fact that an organization isn't perfect is no reason to get rid of it (although that's what conservatives want to do with any non-conservative organization that has the least little imperfection). But you can't give kids a good education if you're unwilling to spend the money for that education - and this principle goes for private AND public schools. It's like the old saying: you get what you pay for. If you're not willing to pay the taxes necessary for a good public education, then the children in public schools will not get a good education. This is not a guarantee that more money automatically equals a good education, but insufficient money DOES almost guarantee an insufficient education.

    Here, I'll give you a GREAT example. Two years or so ago it was made known that 41% of ALL K-12 teachers in Texas were moonlighting. They were taking second jobs in order to make ends meet. So instead of teachers staying late after school to help students, to grade papers, to make the lesson plan for the next day, they were rushing to get to their second jobs.

    And who suffers? The 40% or so of ALL Texas students that those teachers probably taught...and it was all because of education cuts.

    If the teachers had a strong union in Texas, then 41% of their teachers wouldn't have to be moonlighting in order to feed, shelter, and clothe themselves and their families...and the schoolchildren would be getting more of the attention they desperately need. THIS is why the teachers unions are a very, very good thing.
    Sorry you have blinders one. Teacher unions have destroyed our education system, we have poured more and more money into a system controlled by teacher unions with less and less results in educated students. That is a fact. I suggest you look at the facts and then you will understand whey Obama and the Hollywood elite send their kids to private schools. Yes because public schools suck.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Children from two parent families tend to do quite well in school, children from single parent families do not. We tend to put too much blame on the education system when the core problem is liberal policies have greatly damaged the family unit. It is fatherless children dropping out of school and populating our prisons.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Sorry you have blinders one. Teacher unions have destroyed our education system, we have poured more and more money into a system controlled by teacher unions with less and less results in educated students. That is a fact. I suggest you look at the facts and then you will understand whey Obama and the Hollywood elite send their kids to private schools. Yes because public schools suck.
    'Facts' like paying teachers so little that nearly half of them have to get second jobs in order to make ends meet, instead of paying them enough to be physically able to give students the individual help they need?

    Here's a clue for you: your reasoning is simplistic at best. You don't get that there's a lot more factors than just the personal bugaboos you insist upon.

    First off, I don't know if you've noticed, but there's a LOT more to learn today than there was thirty, forty years ago. Are you going to blame that on the liberals and teachers unions?

    Second, hours have been cut at every single school I've sent my kids to has had to cut hours due to budget restraints. So there's more to learn than ever before, and less hours every week to learn it in. I guess this is because of the teachers unions too.

    Third, there's no reason for children in the modern age to have a summer break - such was implemented for the sake of gathering crops. As a result of summer breaks, the first month or so of every school year is spent reteaching the kids what they forgot over the summer.

    Fourth, schools are violent, thanks to drugs from the failed 'War on drugs' (where there's plenty of blame to go around for everyone) and the guns that kids bring to school (thanks a lot, conservatives) - I sent my youngest son to school overseas because there were several kids that were bringing guns to school.

    Fifth - and AGAIN - you get what you pay for. If you pay crap wages to teachers, you'll get crap for teachers. I'd dearly love to teach, too, but I wouldn't be able to give my family the kind of life they have now if I were a teacher. So when you cut the pay for teachers even more, then all you're doing is cutting the quality, too.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    Yo HoJo Why does the govt need to pay for research??
    Marie Currie, thomas Edison, Henry Ford didn"t have the
    govt subsidising their research,why does today's bunch
    need subsidies???
    This has got to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. Have you ever taken a science class?

    Science of the 19th and early 20th century was nothing like it is today. The experiments were on a much smaller scale and simpler. Today most high level scientific research requires WAY, WAY, WAY more sophisticated machines, education, pretty much everything to carry out.

    They didn't need particle accelerators to figure out what they were doing in those days. Today we do.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by keith View Post
    Children from two parent families tend to do quite well in school, children from single parent families do not. We tend to put too much blame on the education system when the core problem is liberal policies have greatly damaged the family unit. It is fatherless children dropping out of school and populating our prisons.
    Yeah, shame on us for supporting equal wages for women and for not making them stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen!

    Oh, btw - if you'll check, you'll find that the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy are in red states - specifically in the South, that Bible Belt where I grew up. So if it's the liberals that did so much to damage the family unit, why is it that the divorce rates and teen pregnancy are not so bad in liberal blue states, but are significantly worse in conservative red states, hm?

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Let them move. The sooner we get rid of these leftist policies which stifle innovation the sooner they can come back.
    Yes, get rid of the educated and you are left with the uneducated. You know, what the right wing calls "the Base".

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