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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    When teapartiers talk about reading skills, it's always like hearing Palin talk about American history. A phantasmagoria of weird ideas and knownothingism.
    With this silly post of yours, you make it clear you also have reading problems or know nothing.

    In your case, I'm not sure which it is though. But it may be both.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Se...

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    This post is not logical or reasonable.

    I have a feeling you think science has a liberal bias....
    Hardly. If anything, some of the most anti-scientific people I know are left wing social activists.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    The hatred of science and scientists -- a conservative trait.

    Back to the 12th century is the tea party creed.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    another silly HOJ thread involving moronic attacks on conservatives. Move on, nothing to see, hold your nose, the stench is awful
    NOOOOOOOO! I like HoJ's threads, they teach us all what progressives are like and how they think.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Oooooh, wow, the guy gave me a NEWSFLASH!

    In fact, HERE's a list of states ordered by percentage of people in prison. And guess what - the thirteen states with the highest percentages are ALL red states...and none of those states are majority-black. And HERE's a list of states ordered by homicide rate. And guess what - thirteen out of the top fifteen were ALL red states...and none of these states are majority-black.
    Are you really that ignorant? I don't think we have a majority black state in the country. That doesn't dispute the fact that blacks make up a higher % of the population in some states then others, and a large number of those states are in the south.......

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Here's a Really Difficult Question for you: you know how bad the murder rate in Chicago is, right? I mean, you obviously listen to right-wing radio a lot, and they're telling you almost every day how deadly it is to spend the night in Chicago, right? So if Chicago - which has such a high percentage of blacks, remember - why is it that the state of Illinois is only eleventh on the list of states by homicide rate, and all but one of the states with higher homicide rates are not-nearly-as-black-as-Chicago RED states, hm? In fact, if you'll look, the murder rate in Louisiana is TWICE that of Illinois!
    Because Chicago is only one city, and you're looking at the STATE ranking for murder rates. The rest of Illinois is relatively more safe, hence why they have a lower rating. But surely you knew that.....

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Psychology isn't exactly a social study per say. But psychology is one of those that have really benefited from technological advancements, and it has a very important role to play with the prevalence of Alzheimer's, dementia, autism related disorders, etc. It was wrong of me to include it in my list earlier, because I do recognize that its research is more relevant as its tools progress in advancement. But Freud on the other hand was just a total nutjob. I wouldn't call it a pure science per say, but there is definitely a very large part of it that is pure science and has major overlap with studies of neuroscience. Like I said before, I think every field varies in its respectability based on its research methods and their real world implications.
    I've followed your debate with DDD, but please contain yourself somewhat. The brand of psychology you're referring to is neuropsychology and is quite different than your run-of-the-mill variety. Neuropsychology is a more disciplined form of research, and limits itself purposefully from too much input to output interpretation. Conversely, the other braches of psychology are not nearly as disciplined, and continue to fall into the soft science categorization, IMO. Economists suffer from the same set of input to output variability, and rely (unavoidably) on datasets that are themselves imperfect, or to be accurate, almost completely useless in practical terms. Granted there are basic economic principles that tend to hold true, that approach predictability thresholds, but we need to remember that these are basic principles, and the more the variability, the less the predictability. Now, what is the common denominator to what separates a soft science to that of a hard science? Variability, right? In the more hard sciences we have little to almost zero variability among interacting objects, whereas in the soft sciences, including economics, anthropology, psychology, psychiatry, or any science that studies any subject, will be subject-to, interpretation. In the hard sciences, any study of an object is not subject to interpretation. It is objective by its very nature, and is an easy way for anyone to tell the difference.

    That all said, I am not saying that soft science isn't needed. (What else would we do?), but I am saying that one looking at the data, or relying on the conclusions of others that have looked at the data, need to understand that, at the core, the data will always be subject to interpretation of imperfect variables, and missing information that could, and usually is, based on best guesses to derive correlative significance. Well done research (Where methodology is sound and blind) provides us with a tremendous advantage in deciding which directions we should pursue for further research. Soft sciences provide us direction, and rarely, if ever, provide data that we can make conclusive statements about. We can rest assured that when we have 2 hydrogen atoms, and mix it with one oxygen atom, we'll get water. When we put two guys and one girl on a deserted island, we have no frigging idea what will happen.


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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I've followed your debate with DDD, but please contain yourself somewhat. The brand of psychology you're referring to is neuropsychology and is quite different than your run-of-the-mill variety. Neuropsychology is a more disciplined form of research, and limits itself purposefully from too much input to output interpretation. Conversely, the other braches of psychology are not nearly as disciplined, and continue to fall into the soft science categorization, IMO. Economists suffer from the same set of input to output variability, and rely (unavoidably) on datasets that are themselves imperfect, or to be accurate, almost completely useless in practical terms. Granted there are basic economic principles that tend to hold true, that approach predictability thresholds, but we need to remember that these are basic principles, and the more the variability, the less the predictability. Now, what is the common denominator to what separates a soft science to that of a hard science? Variability, right? In the more hard sciences we have little to almost zero variability among interacting objects, whereas in the soft sciences, including economics, anthropology, psychology, psychiatry, or any science that studies any subject, will be subject-to, interpretation. In the hard sciences, any study of an object is not subject to interpretation. It is objective by its very nature, and is an easy way for anyone to tell the difference.

    That all said, I am not saying that soft science isn't needed. (What else would we do?), but I am saying that one looking at the data, or relying on the conclusions of others that have looked at the data, need to understand that, at the core, the data will always be subject to interpretation of imperfect variables, and missing information that could, and usually is, based on best guesses to derive correlative significance. Well done research (Where methodology is sound and blind) provides us with a tremendous advantage in deciding which directions we should pursue for further research. Soft sciences provide us direction, and rarely, if ever, provide data that we can make conclusive statements about. We can rest assured that when we have 2 hydrogen atoms, and mix it with one oxygen atom, we'll get water. When we put two guys and one girl on a deserted island, we have no frigging idea what will happen.


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    Well my best guess is one guy will end up dead and none of them will get off the island.

    You're quite right of course..... But psychology at least isn't as bad as say sociology or women's studies.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Well my best guess is one guy will end up dead and none of them will get off the island.

    You're quite right of course..... But psychology at least isn't as bad as say sociology or women's studies.
    Not so fast, the babe could get killed an eaten and the two guys could be gay.. See..


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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Not so fast, the babe could get killed an eaten and the two guys could be gay.. See..


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    Like I said, my best guess........ :P Probability at its finest.

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