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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Well, I'm speaking from a limited perspective, but from what I have encountered in my literature, psychology, and sociology classes they were mostly qualitative. Quantitative analysis seemed to more or less be a fill in the blank for backing qualitative research, when in reality it should've been the other way around.
    It is the other way around. Today qualitative social researchers complain that their research is not taken as seriously as a quantitative ones. The qualitative research is considered just like a topping cream I recall was the analogy. It is the quantitative one that mattered, but if qualitative study too was on the line with findings then all the better.

    See it is like an addition, but not necessarily considered a critical one. It is a shame though for qualitative research provides such in depth reports and insights that you could be amazed.

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    It seemed especially bad in sociology where anyone who was a sociologist could make a completely wack claim and it was automatically given legitimacy. Their words and interpretations alone were accepted without question. Then again, that might just be sociology being a wackjob study, or maybe my teacher was just a wacko with an enormous selection bias. It just came across as jargoned political dogma rather then any honest pursuit of knowledge.
    There were times when I wanted it to be a political dogma to follow it blindly back at my younger ages. But nothing would stick for a dogma because such strong and sounding right claims would only stand as far as the data behind them suggested.

    Psychology also has such theorists. Namely Freudian "unconscious" where one is completely unaware of their behavior or thoughts has not been found yet. Other more conscious levels such as the preconscious as well as its more cognitive form of "non-conscious" have been identified.

    But not the one where one is completely oblivious about as it is the case with the psychoanalytic main concept - the unconscious or Id. Yet it stood as a political dogma for a long while and had various followers since.

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    Also, as a college student, I've been asked to participate in a large amount of social science researcher's surveys and some of the questions they are asking seem like a complete joke. Too often I notice that the results that these researchers are looking for are almost built into the study's design.
    Some questions are more worthy than others. I have noticed that too. I guess they are covering the more common sensual ones before they could then build on those for more interesting questions perhaps?

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    But anyways yes, I agree with the last statement. "Science" should be saved for exact science.
    That though would remove other disciplines that also use probability as their main way to explain phenomena. For instance Economics?

    Or how about the ones that do not use probability at all. Should History classes be abandoned? Not all findings are accurate you know. Some data is deduced or otherwise assumed for they did not lived to our time (especially for ancient history).

    How about Anthropology? Some data are found and then a lot is mainly interpreted on top of such data to provide links about ancient civilization.

    These are not exact sciences neither. Should they be abandoned for it? How narrow would science be if left with only the exact ones: Chemistry, Math, Physics, and Biology?
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

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    It is the other way around. Today qualitative social researchers complain that their research is not taken as seriously as a quantitative ones. The qualitative research is considered just like a topping cream I recall was the analogy. It is the quantitative one that mattered, but if qualitative study too was on the line with findings then all the better.

    See it is like an addition, but not necessarily considered a critical one. It is a shame though for qualitative research provides such in depth reports and insights that you could be amazed.

    What is your background if you do not mind me asking? What do you do? You are still anonymous and if you prefer you could PM me with this information. I am asking because I am thinking that we may not be far with our backgrounds after the exchange.



    There were times when I wanted it to be a political dogma to follow it blindly back at my younger ages. But nothing would stick for a dogma because such strong and sounding right claims would only stand as far as the data behind them suggested.

    Psychology also has such theorists. Namely Freudian "unconscious" where one is completely unaware of their behavior or thoughts has not been found yet. Other more conscious levels such as the preconscious as well as its more cognitive form of "non-conscious" have been identified.

    But not the one where one is completely oblivious about as it is the case with the psychoanalytic main concept - the unconscious or Id. Yet it stood as a political dogma for a long while and had various followers since.



    Some questions are more worthy than others. I have noticed that too. I guess they are covering the more common sensual ones before they could then build on those for more interesting questions perhaps?



    That though would remove other disciplines that also use probability as their main way to explain phenomena. For instance Economics?

    Or how about the ones that do not use probability at all. Should History classes be abandoned? Not all findings are accurate you know. Some data is deduced or otherwise assumed for they did not lived to our time (especially for ancient history).

    How about Anthropology? Some data are found and then a lot is mainly interpreted on top of such data to provide links about ancient civilization.

    These are not exact sciences neither. Should they be abandoned for it? How narrow would science be if left with only the exact ones: Chemistry, Math, Physics, and Biology?
    I'm currently a Biomedical Sciences student at a University.

    Yeah, Freud was a crackhead, but he was so crazy that people almost wanted to believe it.

    As far as what is actually called science, I'd say the list should be pretty narrow. Doesn't mean those aren't worthwhile endeavors of research, I just don't think the term should be used too loosely. For example I have a huge respect for economicists and economic research (much more then I have for sociology), but I still don't think its an exact set in stone science. Even so, one of the major criticisms against economics is a lot of times it looks at things under too idealistic of conditions and doesn't always represent reality.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm currently a Biomedical Sciences student at a University.

    Yeah, Freud was a crackhead, but he was so crazy that people almost wanted to believe it.
    Biomedical! I see where you are coming from wanting only exact sciences to stay and others to go with that

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    As far as what is actually called science, I'd say the list should be pretty narrow. Doesn't mean those aren't worthwhile endeavors of research, I just don't think the term should be used too loosely. For example I have a huge respect for economicists and economic research (much more then I have for sociology), but I still don't think its an exact set in stone science. Even so, one of the major criticisms against economics is a lot of times it looks at things under too idealistic of conditions and doesn't always represent reality.
    Yet it is among the most chosen disciplines that has the widest implications in the world. Wars are done to improve economics, lives are worsened due to economic downfall, countries influence other countries (i.e., recession, aid packages) economically, etc. All this based on probability theory just like social sciences uses.

    The difference between the two disciplines may in fact be more scrutiny before a policy is made and acted upon. Social science cannot measure with economics in regards to similar world wide influence due in part to more scrutiny.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

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    Biomedical! I see where you are coming from wanting only exact sciences to stay and others to go with that



    Yet it is among the most chosen disciplines that has the widest implications in the world. Wars are done to improve economics, lives are worsened due to economic downfall, countries influence other countries (i.e., recession, aid packages) economically, etc. All this based on probability theory just like social sciences uses.

    The difference between the two disciplines may in fact be more scrutiny before a policy is made and acted upon. Social science cannot measure with economics in regards to similar world wide influence due in part to more scrutiny.
    Sigh, the truth comes out .

    Yeah, I'd say that is probably why economics is one of the most well established and respected of the social sciences.... because it has the biggest implications for policy. I have no doubt that social research can be done extremely well and thorough when it uses solid methodology. But my bias against the social studies stems from being introduced to so much garbage research throughout my college tenure, that I simply cannot respect the fields until they start issuing some quality control.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Sigh, the truth comes out .

    Yeah, I'd say that is probably why economics is one of the most well established and respected of the social sciences.... because it has the biggest implications for policy. I have no doubt that social research can be done extremely well and thorough when it uses solid methodology. But my bias against the social studies stems from being introduced to so much garbage research throughout my college tenure, that I simply cannot respect the fields until they start issuing some quality control.
    At the risk of perhaps influencing a career change, I would suggest you read some of the more recent findings so as to move from your position. Since you are in biomedical seek out psychology studies done with fMRI's for instance. Major interest there since this could be the proper instrument that psychology may have been lacking throughout its century.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Why do you keep posting old studies and old ****?

    It seems you have a misunderstanding of how chemotherapy works. ITS SUPPOSED TO BE CYTOTOXIC, that's the point, its more cytotoxic towards cancer cells than human cells. So for all its minuses, it at least gives the patient the chance to live.

    Its better then doing nothing, which has a 100% fatality rate.

    Not as old as chemo, surgery, radiation though,,,

    Yes its suppose to because doctors and pharmaceutical companies want to keep give their "patients" more vulnerable to cancer. Think about... if the treatment is cytotoxic but cancer has the ability to spread, regeneration, and cause tumors than killing all cells is not the best way to heal.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    At the risk of perhaps influencing a career change, I would suggest you read some of the more recent findings so as to move from your position. Since you are in biomedical seek out psychology studies done with fMRI's for instance. Major interest there since this could be the proper instrument that psychology may have been lacking throughout its century.
    Psychology isn't exactly a social study per say. But psychology is one of those that have really benefited from technological advancements, and it has a very important role to play with the prevalence of Alzheimer's, dementia, autism related disorders, etc. It was wrong of me to include it in my list earlier, because I do recognize that its research is more relevant as its tools progress in advancement. But Freud on the other hand was just a total nutjob. I wouldn't call it a pure science per say, but there is definitely a very large part of it that is pure science and has major overlap with studies of neuroscience. Like I said before, I think every field varies in its respectability based on its research methods and their real world implications.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Psychology isn't exactly a social study per say. But psychology is one of those that have really benefited from technological advancements, and it has a very important role to play with the prevalence of Alzheimer's, dementia, autism related disorders, etc. It was wrong of me to include it in my list earlier, because I do recognize that its research is more relevant as its tools progress in advancement. But Freud on the other hand was just a total nutjob. I wouldn't call it a pure science per say, but there is definitely a very large part of it that is pure science and has major overlap with studies of neuroscience. Like I said before, I think every field varies in its respectability based on its research methods and their real world implications.
    Nice debate. Thanks
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

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    Not as old as chemo, surgery, radiation though,,,

    Yes its suppose to because doctors and pharmaceutical companies want to keep give their "patients" more vulnerable to cancer. Think about... if the treatment is cytotoxic but cancer has the ability to spread, regeneration, and cause tumors than killing all cells is not the best way to heal.
    Your lack of medical understanding becomes more apparent with every post. New chemotherapies are developed every year. "Chemotherapy" isn't one drug, its a label given to a plethora of drugs, and which ones get used is constantly changing with new advances in research and studies. Not to mention, one drug doesn't have the exact same effect as another drug, they all have different mechanisms, metabolisms, and cytotoxic profiles. Of course I don't think you would understand an acid-base reaction if I thought it to you, and yet here you are claiming to know everything there is to know about chemotherapy?

    Oh, and here's a thought for you. Pharmaceutical companies and doctors would get sued right up their ass if they were knowingly pushing products that were killing their patients. You wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THE ONLY ONES IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING MONEY. It happens all the time, that's why malpractice is such a big deal in this country. Oh, and did it ever occur to you that the pharmaceutical industry isn't just some homogeneous entity, and actually made up of thousands of companies competing with each other to come out with the most effective treatments? Giving their patients cancer wouldn't be very profitable for them, considering no one would ever buy their products again and their competitors would become obscenely rich taking over their market share. Maybe you need to get your nose out of your fantasy land Marxist books and start using your brain.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

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    Nice debate. Thanks

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