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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    ya know, when we have threads about rich folks or businessmen wanting to leave.. lefties are all about " don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out".. and decrying them as unpatriotic and such..

    now all of a sudden , **** changes.... these folks aren't unpatriotic and lefties want them to stay...and they somehow deduce this is actually a war on intelligence ( or some such ignorant bull****) while blaming Republicans for Obama's idea which is supposedly leading to this exodus ( that doesn't exist yet)

    the hackery... it's thick.


    as for me...I don't care.. stay.. go.. it's their choice.
    it's not like their research would be banned from the US in any event

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Well if you don't want any progress in medicine than I guess thats your choice. Enjoy the 60 year old therapies.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Speaking of ignorance, this post takes the cake.
    Agreed. But it's left wing ignorance. The right wing ignorance is equally as bad, as evidenced in this thread, in which many equate climate science to all science funding (if I had to guess, it's probably about 1% of funding).
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I like how the right wingers are just complaining about global warming in this thread. Not like there are other (most) scientific questions to explore. No new technology to develop. No diseases to cure. No understanding of the cosmos to unlock. Nope, none of that.

    An immunologist friend of mine and her three colleagues all lost funding because of the sequester. We don't need to develop better vaccines, right?
    Yeah, the typical rightwing response to the outing of their memes (science should be funded by industry) is to respond with another discredited rightwing meme (scientists are conspiring to pretend global warming is happening to get government grants).

    It's empty-headed memes all the way down with conservatives.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I understand that. But the issue was if variables cannot be completely isolated then that causes a science to become a pseudo-science. See I asked why social sciences are pseudo-sciences and I had a response from you that it was because variables could not be completely isolated.

    On such premises then perhaps astronomy, quantum mechanics, etc, could also be pseudo-sciences then? They do not have all variables covered while venturing into the unknowns of dark matter and dark energy neither.
    Not necessarily, because they are hypothesis built upon a foundation of hard science to explain the whys and hows of what science has already proven.

    In my experience with the social sciences, a lot of times it seems like they make a hypothesis built upon shaky research at best, or at worst a hypothesis's built on another hypothesis. Not to mention, a lot of time their research findings aren't quantifiable and subject to interpretation. Dark matter may be a hypothesis, but at least there its not open to interpretation and it has an equation .

    I guess its unfair to call them pseudoscientists as that puts them in the category of straight up quackery, IE the homeopathists and astrologists of the world. But the word "science" should be left to the scientists and those who study the world without following the methods of science should really find another name. Social researchers sounds a lot better in my opinion.

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    It USED to be a conservative concept to have the government fund basic research.

    But today's Conservatives are a different breed. I'm sure I would have classified myself as a Conservative 30-40 years ago, or as a Tory in the UK. But now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post

    I guess its unfair to call them pseudoscientists as that puts them in the category of straight up quackery, IE the homeopathists and astrologists of the world.
    The appropriate term would be 'soft' sciences (psychology, economics) vs 'hard' science (physics, chemistry).

    Much better descriptor.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    So you send me links to previews of books that I cannot read fully. Where, specifically [ page number book name, etc...] did you get your declaration that doctors give treatments to sick people that actually make the patient sicker so they can make more money on them. You have read the books right? Why not tell me the pages in the previews that I can actually view where the information you indicate is there can be found and analyzed? After reading a few pages and the tables of contents, I did not get the impression that the books said anything of the sort.

    I study history... and in 1900 the average lifespan was approximately age 43 in the United States. We now have almost doubled that. While correlation is not causation, it is obviously somehow closely associated. Something in our business/medical model is generating longer lives. Maybe its global warming/climate change... oh no, that is supposed to be bad for us...ummm...maybe it was all the world wars? No....that would kill us off earlier too...hmmmmm....oh, must be socialism/communism...but hey, they killed over a hundred million of their own people in the last 100 years...so no, that doesn't seem to fit either....oh what oh what could it be...??
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    So you send me links to previews of books that I cannot read fully. Where, specifically [ page number book name, etc...] did you get your declaration that doctors give treatments to sick people that actually make the patient sicker so they can make more money on them. You have read the books right? Why not tell me the pages in the previews that I can actually view where the information you indicate is there can be found and analyzed? After reading a few pages and the tables of contents, I did not get the impression that the books said anything of the sort.

    I study history... and in 1900 the average lifespan was approximately age 43 in the United States. We now have almost doubled that. While correlation is not causation, it is obviously somehow closely associated. Something in our business/medical model is generating longer lives. Maybe its global warming/climate change... oh no, that is supposed to be bad for us...ummm...maybe it was all the world wars? No....that would kill us off earlier too...hmmmmm....oh, must be socialism/communism...but hey, they killed over a hundred million of their own people in the last 100 years...so no, that doesn't seem to fit either....oh what oh what could it be...??
    Haha...laughs.

    These books were to tell you the context of our medical culture, Specific information on the dangers of Chemo, surgery, and radiation are all over the internet.

    Treating the Treatment: Toxicity of Cancer Chemotherapy

    Many cancer chemotherapeutic agents can produce toxicity, even at the usual therapeutic doses.

    CT findings of chemotherapy-induced toxicity: what... [Radiology. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

    It is imperative that radiologists be aware of these toxicities and that they learn to recognize the relevant findings so that they can provide a complete differential diagnosis and thus play an important role in patient care.

    Carcinogenic effects of radiothera... [Oncology (Williston Park). 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

    Such therapy may raise the risk of leukemia, particularly in association with certain types of adjuvant chemotherapy. Lung cancer risk is also increased, especially in cigarette smokers, and there are some indications that the risks of esophageal cancer and sarcomas may be elevated as well.

    Cancer risks following diagnostic and therapeutic radiation exposure in children

    Many studies of radiation for treatment of benign diseases and a few studies of diagnostic radiation exposure have yielded much of the information on the risk for radiation-related cancer in children. Although most cancers can be induced by radiation, these studies demonstrate dose-related increased risks of cancer of the thyroid, breasts and brain, non-melanoma skin cancer, and leukemia.

    Intensive weekly chemotherapy is not effective i... [Br J Cancer. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

    The outcome of this intensive chemotherapy regimen does not support its use in pancreatic cancer.

    even fox news is reporting the nonsense therapies that are only use to made money for companies.

    Does chemotherapy do more harm than good? | Fox News Video

    Pharmageddon

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    " Millions of people have died during this period after having radical surgery, intense radiotherapy, or intense chemotherapy."

    Its only is a matter of time before it will be obvious to the populations.
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    Re: Nearly 20 Percent Of Scientists Contemplate Moving Overseas Due In Part To Seques

    Quote Originally Posted by jag2594 View Post
    Haha...laughs.

    These books were to tell you the context of our medical culture, Specific information on the dangers of Chemo, surgery, and radiation are all over the internet.

    Treating the Treatment: Toxicity of Cancer Chemotherapy

    Many cancer chemotherapeutic agents can produce toxicity, even at the usual therapeutic doses.

    CT findings of chemotherapy-induced toxicity: what... [Radiology. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

    It is imperative that radiologists be aware of these toxicities and that they learn to recognize the relevant findings so that they can provide a complete differential diagnosis and thus play an important role in patient care.

    Carcinogenic effects of radiothera... [Oncology (Williston Park). 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

    Such therapy may raise the risk of leukemia, particularly in association with certain types of adjuvant chemotherapy. Lung cancer risk is also increased, especially in cigarette smokers, and there are some indications that the risks of esophageal cancer and sarcomas may be elevated as well.

    Cancer risks following diagnostic and therapeutic radiation exposure in children

    Many studies of radiation for treatment of benign diseases and a few studies of diagnostic radiation exposure have yielded much of the information on the risk for radiation-related cancer in children. Although most cancers can be induced by radiation, these studies demonstrate dose-related increased risks of cancer of the thyroid, breasts and brain, non-melanoma skin cancer, and leukemia.

    Intensive weekly chemotherapy is not effective i... [Br J Cancer. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI

    The outcome of this intensive chemotherapy regimen does not support its use in pancreatic cancer.

    even fox news is reporting the nonsense therapies that are only use to made money for companies.

    Does chemotherapy do more harm than good? | Fox News Video

    Pharmageddon

    Page 52

    " Millions of people have died during this period after having radical surgery, intense radiotherapy, or intense chemotherapy."

    Its only is a matter of time before it will be obvious to the populations.
    Would they have died otherwise? How many survived and lived longer lives? Again, you do not address the facts that our lifespans have increased substantially... that is all just random chance?

    So, when you are laughing at "conservatives" and "right wing trolls" along with our defense of capitalism, how are you able to disguise, manipulate your own mind to close off all the prosperity world wide that comes with the self interest, the incentives, the freedoms concomitant with this system that allows private ownership and is based on voluntary exchange [ the genius of free markets as both parties walk away thinking they got the better deal ], as well as the self regulating nature of capitalism? The better nutrition world wide, the less hunger and starvation, the far wider disbursement of these medical assets world wide for self knowledge and better preventive care, earlier...

    Sure wasn't a result of the communist regimes... and the socialists of Europe only under the protection of the American military and taxpayer...now that they are having to shoulder more and more of that burden themselves, even before, they are/were showing signs of imminent collapse... too heavy on that socialism stuff...
    "...But resist we much, we must and we will much, about that be committed..." --- the right Reverend Alfred Charles "Al" Shaprton, Jr.

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