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Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

tell you what lil buddies
one of two things that would cause all hell to break loose is if either Israel got involved
or Saudi Arabia is threatened then yippee ki yay It's GAME ON!
 
AngryOldGuy said:
I've thought that was a distinct possibility for years now. So many Democrap presidents have gotten us into another war through their absolute ineptitude in dealing with foreign policy it nearly seems like its par for the course.
This whole supposed 'war on terror' thing has been mishandled from the git go.
I'm just glad my kid won't be sent to needlessly die over there.
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I suppose dying for civil liberties is certainly noble, however anything we do will be nothing more for than a "Monopoly piece."

This Syria nonsense is nothing more than a big dick contest at a bar between several egomaniacs....
 
joko104 said:
What are WE going to do IF Russia starts slinging conventionally armed missiles at Saudi Arabia or anywhere else in the region? Or giving the Syrian government those weapons? Or giving them to anyone else. Launch nuclear missiles at Russia? Get into a conventional war directly with Russia? Or piles weapons over to the other sides, turning the entire M.E., North Africa and Western Asia into an all out war zone...
because of?
Because Syrian terrorists, opposed by 80+% of Syrians, used some chemical weapons?
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I shudder to think.

It would be a declaration of war on an ally. It would be interesting to watch Obama under real pressure.
 
joG said:
It would be interesting to watch Obama under real pressure.
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No thanks, that would be a nightmare, he's screwed up everything he's touched so far.
You don't send a community organizer to do a leader's job.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
No thanks, that would be a nightmare, he's screwed up everything he's touched so far.
You don't send a community organizer to do a leader's job.
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You are mean! And where is your natural curiosity? ;)
 
MMC said:
Well, you do understand that the Shia as a people are Holding that Crescent due to the Regions they live in. Which transcends those Countries Borders.
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You are incorrect. The Shia are not continuous between Iran and Syria/Lebanon.

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The Shia in Lebanon/Syria are Arab, not Persian - that makes a serious difference. The political alliance between Assad and Iran was historically atypical (more usually Iran's ability to project power and influence ends halfway through Iraq), and gave Iran a geopolitical advantage it had not enjoyed in a little more than two millenia.

Russian P800s do explode.....which is why the Brits never confirmed the Israeli Strike on them. Hoping that Russian Tech will fail.....is never a good start.
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:) Dogs will explode. That being said, I'm unaware anyone has posed hoping that the tech will fail as a tactic. Nobody is more keenly aware that Hope is not a Strategy than the military.

So other than by Proxy.....Assad hasn't attacked any US interests since the start of the insurrection, correct?
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:shrug: no, he's not suicidal. Do you imagine you are making some kind of a grand point?
 
P. Kersey said:
LMFAO!...:roll:
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I tell you what.

Everyone here who has actually been involved in developing a Candidate/Joint Integrated Prioritized Target List to utilize Effects Based Targeting in order to leverage the Joint Targeting Cycle to counter coastal defense cruise missile (CDCM) problem sets in the context of either opening sea lanes or prepping for forcible entry operations (FEOs)...

...in short, everyone here who would actually possibly know what they are talking about....


...raise your hand.


:2wave:
 
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cpwill said:
You are incorrect. The Shia are not continuous between Iran and Syria/Lebanon.

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The Shia in Lebanon/Syria are Arab, not Persian - that makes a serious difference. The political alliance between Assad and Iran was historically atypical (more usually Iran's ability to project power and influence ends halfway through Iraq), and gave Iran a geopolitical advantage it had not enjoyed in a little more than two millenia.



:) Dogs will explode. That being said, I'm unaware anyone has posed hoping that the tech will fail as a tactic. Nobody is more keenly aware that Hope is not a Strategy than the military.



:shrug: no, he's not suicidal. Do you imagine you are making some kind of a grand point?
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Persians are not Arab.....Also if you were to include the Alawites and Syria, along with the Shia. Then that just fills that area more in.

Well so do humans.....its called spontaneous combustion. Well you were the one that gave the excuse over their tech.....not me.

I know he is not suicidal.....I made the Point and you answered it up front. So by no other means than Proxy is Assad and Syria a threat to the National Security Interest of the US. So no need for you to try and spin it any other way.
 
MMC said:
Persians are not Arab.....
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Yes, that's what I just told you.

Also if you were to include the Alawites and Syria, along with the Shia. Then that just fills that area more in.
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not really. Alawites are concentrated in the mountains of Syria's East coast, along the northern portion of the border with Lebanon.

Well so do humans.....its called spontaneous combustion. Well you were the one that gave the excuse over their tech.....not me.
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i don't recall saying that you could ignore the russian missiles because they would fail. I recall saying that they could be destroyed.

I know he is not suicidal.....I made the Point and you answered it up front. So by no other means than Proxy is Assad and Syria a threat to the National Security Interest of the US. So no need for you to try and spin it any other way.
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I haven't tried to do anything else - Assad working through proxies doesn't make him any less of a threat, any more than someone firing a gun at you isn't a threat because it's the bullet that will hurt you rather than the person holding the firearm. We have and continue to have huge national interests in Syria, and should take advantage of this opportunity to pursue them.
 
cpwill said:
Yes, that's what I just told you.



not really. Alawites are concentrated in the mountains of Syria's East coast, along the northern portion of the border with Lebanon.



i don't recall saying that you could ignore the russian missiles because they would fail. I recall saying that they could be destroyed.



I haven't tried to do anything else - Assad working through proxies doesn't make him any less of a threat, any more than someone firing a gun at you isn't a threat because it's the bullet that will hurt you rather than the person holding the firearm. We have and continue to have huge national interests in Syria, and should take advantage of this opportunity to pursue them.
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Yes that's Right......you did say that the Russian missiles could be destroyed. Sorry about that CPW.....to many others talking crazy like. As if the Russians don't have anything to take us on. Or that their tech is faulty.

Well.....that's where I am in disagreement with you. There is no need to give the Sunni Muslims and Arabs another Country to run. They have proven these last 50 years. That they cannot be trusted.....and they will backstab us. Like they have always done.

Time for some real time Foreign Policy.....instead of our Politicians playing yes men and thinking the Sunni are men that would be willing to conduct business with us.
 
I'll tell YOU what;


your friend said;
sherman123 said:
I am completely confident that we have the capability to totally denude the Syrian air defense grid. Possibly without losing a single plane. If you are referring to General Dempsey's commentary to Congress he was referring to the costs of putting troops into the region and the risks wider involvement entails. Just the other day he freely granted that the Syrian air force and defense grid could be easily totaled by the United States.
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and he was going on and on about all these various things that we could do and how we were going to be able to do this and that tactically and nothing anyone else had could stop us...etc...etc..

so I asked him;
P.Kersey said:
Could you elaborate on your superior knowledge and understanding of every weapons system in the world?
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He then replied;
=sherman123]I'm not a weapons systems expert but I know enough that people who hype a particular weapons system when discussing a geopolitical issue usually don't know what they are talking about
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The only thing left for me to say was
P.Kersey said:
LMFAO!...:roll:
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Since you drug me in, I'll ask you the same thing I asked him;


What was your GPA while you were at west point?

How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right?
 
P. Kersey said:
I'll tell YOU what;


your friend said;

and he was going on and on about all these various things that we could do and how we were going to be able to do this and that tactically and nothing anyone else had could stop us...etc...etc..

so I asked him;


He then replied;



The only thing left for me to say was


Since you drug me in, I'll ask you the same thing I asked him;


What was your GPA while you were at west point?

How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right?
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This ^^^^^.....now you know why no lefties are in that top ten. ;)
 
MMC said:
Yes that's Right......you did say that the Russian missiles could be destroyed. Sorry about that CPW.....to many others talking crazy like. As if the Russians don't have anything to take us on. Or that their tech is faulty.
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A) their tech is more likely to be faulty than our own. As to the particular missile system and the platforms being employed, I really couldn't speak to it.
B) that being said, yeah, Hope Is Not A Strategy :) But I understand the feeling that one is surrounded by people who have lost leave of their senses :)

Well.....that's where I am in disagreement with you. There is no need to give the Sunni Muslims and Arabs another Country to run. They have proven these last 50 years. That they cannot be trusted.....and they will backstab us. Like they have always done.
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:shrug: that makes them approximately.... just like.... everyone else including ourselves. But nowhere have I suggested that we should be engaged in regime change in Syria.

Time for some real time Foreign Policy....
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Yeah, that's what I'm here advocating. 'Real' Foreign Policy :)mrgreen: see who gets the joke)

instead of our Politicians playing yes men and thinking the Sunni are men that would be willing to conduct business with us.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that we should play nice with the AQ elements of the insurgency. You are mostly arguing a strawman, there.
 
cpwill said:
A) their tech is more likely to be faulty than our own. As to the particular missile system and the platforms being employed, I really couldn't speak to it.
B) that being said, yeah, Hope Is Not A Strategy :) But I understand the feeling that one is surrounded by people who have lost leave of their senses :)



:shrug: that makes them approximately.... just like.... everyone else including ourselves. But nowhere have I suggested that we should be engaged in regime change in Syria.



Yeah, that's what I'm here advocating. 'Real' Foreign Policy :)mrgreen: see who gets the joke)



I don't think anyone is suggesting that we should play nice with the AQ elements of the insurgency. You are mostly arguing a strawman, there.
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Excellent post CPW.....you still on Stratfor? Been reading anything out of Foreign Policy Mag?

Well.....except for that part on the Muslim Brotherhood and their ties to AQ. ;)
 
MMC said:
This ^^^^^.....now you know why no lefties are in that top ten. ;)
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Right.
I mean I understand insecure people pretending to be things they aren't and seeking validation on the web, but at a certain point it becomes funny/sad.

(for the mods: that is a GENERAL statement and not aimed at a particular person. thanks) ;)
 
P. Kersey said:
I'll tell YOU what;


your friend said;

and he was going on and on about all these various things that we could do and how we were going to be able to do this and that tactically and nothing anyone else had could stop us...etc...etc..

so I asked him;


He then replied;



The only thing left for me to say was


Since you drug me in, I'll ask you the same thing I asked him;


What was your GPA while you were at west point?
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I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead :D

I have friends who did go to a couple of different military acadamies, they are fine people. but you toss me a beach-ball, of course I'm going to hit it :)
How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right?
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:shrug: those who study warfare in the age of Industrialization are a full generation behind the times - we are in the era of informatization, not industrialization.

:) I find it really entertaining that you have confused courses taken by cadets at West Point with actual expertise or experience in the subject matter under discussion. In the military second-lieutenants are looked upon the way they are for a reason. That being said, I do happen to have a bit of a background knowledge on our weapons platforms (I'm a trained targeteer, qualified to perform System of System Analysis, Core Target Material production, Collateral Damage Estimation, Bomb Damage Assessment, and Weaponeering), and I would tend to suspect that Sherman is closer to correct than incorrect. The relative odds of that would depend not a little on our fidelity of any SA-20s in the region, and Syrian ability to employ them. CDCMs are not a counter to land-based B2's.

What is your background expertise?
 
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cpwill said:
I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead :D
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Good one.
marines are for real.


cpwill said:
What is your background expertise?
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None. I never pretended to have superior knowledge of every weapon system the u.s has AND the russians.
I never pretended to have superior knowledge of the tactics, strategy and intentions of the u.s. AND the russians...like some people.

I find it comical that people pontificate and strut and pose so much on this thread about things they can't possibly know.
 
cpwill said:
I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead :D



:shrug: those who study warfare in the age of Industrialization are a full generation behind the times - we are in the era of informatization, not industrialization.

:) I find it really entertaining that you have confused courses taken by cadets at West Point with actual expertise or experience in the subject matter under discussion. In the military second-lieutenants are looked upon the way they are for a reason. That being said, I do happen to have a bit of a background knowledge on our weapons platforms (I'm a trained targeteer, qualified to perform System of System Analysis, Core Target Material production, Collateral Damage Estimation, Bomb Damage Assessment, and Weaponeering), and I would tend to suspect that Sherman is closer to correct than incorrect. The relative odds of that would depend not a little on our fidelity of any SA-20s in the region, and Syrian ability to employ them. CDCMs are not a counter to land-based B2's.

What is your background expertise?
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One must crawl before they Walk. :mrgreen:

I to went straight into the service. After I came home.....I had the same courses when I was going thru OCS.

11 Bravo.....I **** the enemies **** up while Leading the way. Sua Sponte.....huah! ;)
 
Mr.Nick said:
Right now Syria is no ones "ally" - that is the whole point of "intervention" - the nation is pretty much up for grabs...
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No. Russia and Syria are ally's and Russia has had Assad's back from day one. Along with Iran and China, they do NOT view the country as up for grabs.
 
Due to all those secret documents about development that Russian and USA found on Germany after invading Nazi, made both of them superpowers and none of them is afraid of none, and none of them will dare to attack the other, because they know what possesses the other side.

Cold war proved pretty well that those 2 forces can't fight each others because in army terms they are equal. Of course in different pictures.
 
Montecresto said:
No. Russia and Syria are ally's and Russia has had Assad's back from day one. Along with Iran and China, they do NOT view the country as up for grabs.
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It's interesting that politically and socially, the people who were most against bush attacking a sovereign nation who had done nothing to the u.s. (iraq) are now cheering when obama threatens to attack a sovereign nation who has done nothing to the u.s.

What's that word again?..oh yeah.."hypocrite"
 
MMC said:
Excellent post CPW.....you still on Stratfor? Been reading anything out of Foreign Policy Mag?
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I do indeed still read Stratfor on a daily basis, though it's been a few weeks since I leafed through Foreign Policy. We get the older versions out here, and I just don't go to the site. I did discover NightWatch by KForce, which I think is a nice little daily email roll-up; and I would encourage you to get it if you don't already have it.

Well.....except for that part on the Muslim Brotherhood and their ties to AQ. ;)
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The MB's ties to AQ are.... meh, tertiary. Mostly.
 
P. Kersey said:
It's interesting that politically and socially, the people who were most against bush attacking a sovereign nation who had done nothing to the u.s. (iraq) are now cheering when obama threatens to attack a sovereign nation who has done nothing to the u.s.
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It is. It's like between 2003 and now, everyone changed uniforms.
 
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