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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yes, that's what I just told you.



    not really. Alawites are concentrated in the mountains of Syria's East coast, along the northern portion of the border with Lebanon.



    i don't recall saying that you could ignore the russian missiles because they would fail. I recall saying that they could be destroyed.



    I haven't tried to do anything else - Assad working through proxies doesn't make him any less of a threat, any more than someone firing a gun at you isn't a threat because it's the bullet that will hurt you rather than the person holding the firearm. We have and continue to have huge national interests in Syria, and should take advantage of this opportunity to pursue them.
    Yes that's Right......you did say that the Russian missiles could be destroyed. Sorry about that CPW.....to many others talking crazy like. As if the Russians don't have anything to take us on. Or that their tech is faulty.

    Well.....that's where I am in disagreement with you. There is no need to give the Sunni Muslims and Arabs another Country to run. They have proven these last 50 years. That they cannot be trusted.....and they will backstab us. Like they have always done.

    Time for some real time Foreign Policy.....instead of our Politicians playing yes men and thinking the Sunni are men that would be willing to conduct business with us.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    I'll tell YOU what;


    your friend said;
    Quote Originally Posted by sherman123
    I am completely confident that we have the capability to totally denude the Syrian air defense grid. Possibly without losing a single plane. If you are referring to General Dempsey's commentary to Congress he was referring to the costs of putting troops into the region and the risks wider involvement entails. Just the other day he freely granted that the Syrian air force and defense grid could be easily totaled by the United States.
    and he was going on and on about all these various things that we could do and how we were going to be able to do this and that tactically and nothing anyone else had could stop us...etc...etc..

    so I asked him;
    Quote Originally Posted by P.Kersey
    Could you elaborate on your superior knowledge and understanding of every weapons system in the world?
    He then replied;
    =sherman123]I'm not a weapons systems expert but I know enough that people who hype a particular weapons system when discussing a geopolitical issue usually don't know what they are talking about

    The only thing left for me to say was
    Quote Originally Posted by P.Kersey
    LMFAO!...
    Since you drug me in, I'll ask you the same thing I asked him;


    What was your GPA while you were at west point?

    How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

    Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

    What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

    Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right?

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    I'll tell YOU what;


    your friend said;

    and he was going on and on about all these various things that we could do and how we were going to be able to do this and that tactically and nothing anyone else had could stop us...etc...etc..

    so I asked him;


    He then replied;



    The only thing left for me to say was


    Since you drug me in, I'll ask you the same thing I asked him;


    What was your GPA while you were at west point?

    How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

    Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

    What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

    Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right
    ?

    This ^^^^^.....now you know why no lefties are in that top ten.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yes that's Right......you did say that the Russian missiles could be destroyed. Sorry about that CPW.....to many others talking crazy like. As if the Russians don't have anything to take us on. Or that their tech is faulty.
    A) their tech is more likely to be faulty than our own. As to the particular missile system and the platforms being employed, I really couldn't speak to it.
    B) that being said, yeah, Hope Is Not A Strategy But I understand the feeling that one is surrounded by people who have lost leave of their senses

    Well.....that's where I am in disagreement with you. There is no need to give the Sunni Muslims and Arabs another Country to run. They have proven these last 50 years. That they cannot be trusted.....and they will backstab us. Like they have always done.
    that makes them approximately.... just like.... everyone else including ourselves. But nowhere have I suggested that we should be engaged in regime change in Syria.

    Time for some real time Foreign Policy....
    Yeah, that's what I'm here advocating. 'Real' Foreign Policy ( see who gets the joke)

    instead of our Politicians playing yes men and thinking the Sunni are men that would be willing to conduct business with us.
    I don't think anyone is suggesting that we should play nice with the AQ elements of the insurgency. You are mostly arguing a strawman, there.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    A) their tech is more likely to be faulty than our own. As to the particular missile system and the platforms being employed, I really couldn't speak to it.
    B) that being said, yeah, Hope Is Not A Strategy But I understand the feeling that one is surrounded by people who have lost leave of their senses



    that makes them approximately.... just like.... everyone else including ourselves. But nowhere have I suggested that we should be engaged in regime change in Syria.



    Yeah, that's what I'm here advocating. 'Real' Foreign Policy ( see who gets the joke)



    I don't think anyone is suggesting that we should play nice with the AQ elements of the insurgency. You are mostly arguing a strawman, there.
    Excellent post CPW.....you still on Stratfor? Been reading anything out of Foreign Policy Mag?

    Well.....except for that part on the Muslim Brotherhood and their ties to AQ.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    This ^^^^^.....now you know why no lefties are in that top ten.
    Right.
    I mean I understand insecure people pretending to be things they aren't and seeking validation on the web, but at a certain point it becomes funny/sad.

    (for the mods: that is a GENERAL statement and not aimed at a particular person. thanks)

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    I'll tell YOU what;


    your friend said;

    and he was going on and on about all these various things that we could do and how we were going to be able to do this and that tactically and nothing anyone else had could stop us...etc...etc..

    so I asked him;


    He then replied;



    The only thing left for me to say was


    Since you drug me in, I'll ask you the same thing I asked him;


    What was your GPA while you were at west point?
    I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead

    I have friends who did go to a couple of different military acadamies, they are fine people. but you toss me a beach-ball, of course I'm going to hit it :-)
    How did you do on DS 310 "Military Tactics" and "DS 470 "Military Strategy"?

    Did you take the HI 355 "Warfare in the Age of Industrialization" course?

    What about the DS 455 " Comparative Military Systems" course? How did you do in that one?

    Naturally you aced HI358 "Strategy, Policy, and Generalship" I should take that for granted, right?
    those who study warfare in the age of Industrialization are a full generation behind the times - we are in the era of informatization, not industrialization.

    I find it really entertaining that you have confused courses taken by cadets at West Point with actual expertise or experience in the subject matter under discussion. In the military second-lieutenants are looked upon the way they are for a reason. That being said, I do happen to have a bit of a background knowledge on our weapons platforms (I'm a trained targeteer, qualified to perform System of System Analysis, Core Target Material production, Collateral Damage Estimation, Bomb Damage Assessment, and Weaponeering), and I would tend to suspect that Sherman is closer to correct than incorrect. The relative odds of that would depend not a little on our fidelity of any SA-20s in the region, and Syrian ability to employ them. CDCMs are not a counter to land-based B2's.

    What is your background expertise?
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead

    Oh no he didn't!
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead
    Good one.
    marines are for real.


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    What is your background expertise?
    None. I never pretended to have superior knowledge of every weapon system the u.s has AND the russians.
    I never pretended to have superior knowledge of the tactics, strategy and intentions of the u.s. AND the russians...like some people.

    I find it comical that people pontificate and strut and pose so much on this thread about things they can't possibly know.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I didn't go to West Point because I wanted to be in the real military, so I joined the Marines instead



    those who study warfare in the age of Industrialization are a full generation behind the times - we are in the era of informatization, not industrialization.

    I find it really entertaining that you have confused courses taken by cadets at West Point with actual expertise or experience in the subject matter under discussion. In the military second-lieutenants are looked upon the way they are for a reason. That being said, I do happen to have a bit of a background knowledge on our weapons platforms (I'm a trained targeteer, qualified to perform System of System Analysis, Core Target Material production, Collateral Damage Estimation, Bomb Damage Assessment, and Weaponeering), and I would tend to suspect that Sherman is closer to correct than incorrect. The relative odds of that would depend not a little on our fidelity of any SA-20s in the region, and Syrian ability to employ them. CDCMs are not a counter to land-based B2's.

    What is your background expertise?


    One must crawl before they Walk.

    I to went straight into the service. After I came home.....I had the same courses when I was going thru OCS.

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