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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    We've been working hard at destabilizing the ME since at LEAST the 40's.
    Nobody likes the u.s. over there. They have good reasons, too.
    I'm not sure the US has been working at "destabilizing" the ME so much as often working at cross purposes but that's because the ME is a boiling pot of bad, incompatible ingredients. I look at Egypt under Mubarak as an example, and Pakistan under Musharif - both were loyal to the US, worked with the US on it's goals in the region and both ended up being abandoned by Obama when he came into office and neither country now is very friendly to the US even though you have to keep propping up their militaries to avoid total chaos.
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm not sure the US has been working at "destabilizing" the ME so much as often working at cross purposes but that's because the ME is a boiling pot of bad, incompatible ingredients. I look at Egypt under Mubarak as an example, and Pakistan under Musharif - both were loyal to the US, worked with the US on it's goals in the region and both ended up being abandoned by Obama when he came into office and neither country now is very friendly to the US even though you have to keep propping up their militaries to avoid total chaos.
    Ok..but let's not forget we've done the same things in iraq, iran and afghanistan...etc...We manipulate and play one side against the other..often while arming BOTH sides..that isn't a sound foreign "policy". It creates anti american hatred in all countries who we've "played".

    We do it to keep the area off balance which allows us to exert "influence".

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Ok..but let's not forget we've done the same things in iraq, iran and afghanistan...etc...We manipulate and play one side against the other..often while arming BOTH sides..that isn't a sound foreign "policy". It creates anti american hatred in all countries who we've "played".

    We do it to keep the area off balance which allows us to exert "influence".
    I can agree with that - it's a far more dangerous game now, however, because the world is a relatively smaller place and the US is no longer isolated on the other side of the world - trouble can come to your doorstep.
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I can agree with that - it's a far more dangerous game now, however, because the world is a relatively smaller place and the US is no longer isolated on the other side of the world - trouble can come to your doorstep.
    I agree.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Do you mean it's air defense grid?
    Sea based too. We're going to have to take out much of the air defense network before we start serious bombing and that's likely going to involve sea based weapons hitting land targets. We should expect some sea based defenses. I really hope we can use drones to laser target rather than relying on soldiers. If we can do with Kosovo Style with zero active losses, that would be preferred.
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    all that stuff will be smoking wreckage in the first wave of attacks
    when does the the show begin?

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Frankly I think there is something about these latest hypersonic aircraft experiments that are relatable to this. There are various ways of delivering kinetic energy, and speed gives you a huge advantage in that area. A hypersonic air vehicle would be hard to stop too.
    Now would be a good time for the US to reveal kinetic weapons installed on Satellites. The sheer energy falling from dozens of miles from space has to be immense. Easily enough to break through nanoparticle reinforced concrete.

    But I think we did sign some agreement saying not to weaponize space.
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Now would be a good time for the US to reveal kinetic weapons installed on Satellites. The sheer energy falling from dozens of miles from space has to be immense. Easily enough to break through nanoparticle reinforced concrete.

    But I think we did sign some agreement saying not to weaponize space.
    I don't know about nanoparticles or kinetic weapons but this is interesting.
    Largest Rocket Ever Launched From Vandenberg AFB Makes Lift-Off CBS Los Angeles
    I thought once an object reached terminal velocity in a fall, that was it. And terminal velocity can be reached from a pretty low height...maybe a hundred feet or so?

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    I don't know about nanoparticles or kinetic weapons but this is interesting.
    Iran has a special type of concrete which uses small particles to produce a very durable concrete. We launched big rockets at material we produced and it just shrugs it off. And Iran has access to the same materials. This is a big problem for bunker busters. If they cannot even pierce the concrete over the target site, the weapon is useless.

    Largest Rocket Ever Launched From Vandenberg AFB Makes Lift-Off CBS Los Angeles
    I thought once an object reached terminal velocity in a fall, that was it. And terminal velocity can be reached from a pretty low height...maybe a hundred feet or so?
    In theory, a kinetic missile launching satellite wants to be fairly high up so that it can cover a large amount of territory. Being able to hit thousands of square miles with a single statellite is more cost effective. Total energy is the only thing we really care about in the end, but it does matter how much area a single satellite can cover. Imagine a 1 ton solid piece of tungsten hitting a target at terminal velocity. That's alot of energy.
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    ok ok OC we get it, you flunked high school physics class

    hah Delta whatever
    the Saturn V is (ok was) still the heaviest lifter that ever was
    Comparison of orbital launchers families - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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