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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I can certainly understand that. Now you know why I jumped on trying to redirect the derailment asap.
    The only way some socially awkward people know how to interact is through anger and conflict. They purposely act out to get a response because that's all they know.

    Anyway...whatever...Takes all kinds.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Neither are credible sources. This threat did not occur. Both articles are replete with conspiratorial nonsense like "who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia." which is audibly ludicrous.

    Seeking out a variety of sources is commendable, just make sure you haven't picked up nonsense.
    Yep Sherman.....Another reason why I like to get both sides of the story. Or as many as I can. I think when they all are saying something that is the same thing then there shouldn't be any dispute.

    Thats not the part copied.....also I would note When all those Foreign Sources are on the other side of the divide. Many try to debunk them if not carried by Western media Sources. Really there should be no trouble with Asian Defense. They are part of the Asian Times aren't they? Or maybe like the Post to that affect.

    And thanks.

    Russia threatens to bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia

    Russia threatens to bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia - Kavkazcenter.com

    Russia Threatens to Bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia | Friends of Syria

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Hey Sherman, it's good to see you posting here. I remember you have some professional insight into these questions, so your opinion is very helpful.

    I'd like to ask you: What is your general take on the entire situation? What's the goal of a possible Western attack on Syria?

    Based on some mainstream news information I read and watched today, it was suggested that Obama's main goal is to appease the hawks at home who claim he has "no balls". The US already communicated it would be a very limited mission, only lasting two or three days, which is a signal towards Assad and Russia that the US do not really want to topple Assad's regime. Ideally, the attack would serve the purpose of raising the threshhold for using chemical weapons for dictators in the region, and force Assad and the Syrian opposition at the negotiation table. Regime change is not the goal.

    Some experts also said that despite the sabor rattling, an escalation beyond Syrian borders is unlikely, because as long as Assad believes he can survive the short attacks politically, he will not likely further endanger his grip on power by provoking a response to possible attack on Syria or Turkey. He'd only do that if he felt the objective was toppling him.

    What do you think about this estimation, and what do you think will and can Russia do about it, or what does Russia even want? What will Iran's role be?

    Hey there German you do me too many favors but I'll give you my brief opinion.

    My personal take is that any action over Syria will end up being relatively limited. By limited I mean a strike that hits a few of the artillery formations believed to have been responsible for the shelling, striking several storage depots and laboratories, a few air fields, some brigade or divisional command and control nodes, and maybe some elements of their air defense grid. Think something along the lines of Desert Fox but more punitive than goal oriented.

    The opportunity for a broader attack has passed I think. In the initial days after the bombardment the US and her allies were much more bellicose (or at least her allies were) and the possibility of rapid successful action overriding opposition was more feasible. If you had launched a retaliatory bombardment within 72 hours of the attack the opportunity for UN, Congressional, Parliamentary, etc opposition to coalesce would have been much diminished. The media storm would have provided ample cover and success would be the only justification needed. Moreover it's easier to avoid censure for something already done than to seek support for something yet to occur.

    I'm not seer and I could be completely wrong but I'd be surprised if this reaction went further than that and quite frankly if the President wanted it to.

    Though to hit on one point an attack over two or three days would be towards the farther end of the punitive spectrum and is (from what I've heard) more or less what the rebels are asking for as their maximal realistic objective. The reason being that once the United States begins bombing Syria it will freeze the board. Moving units, aircraft, helicopters, or the like will be a dangerous thing to do as the attacks will not only sow deep uncertainty but force the regime to avoid further provocations. The rebels would like to capitalize on this by seizing local initiative in Syria and regaining some ground that the government cannot easily retake.

    As for attacks beyond Syria's borders? I think it depends entirely on the level of the US response. If it is something analogous to Desert Fox I think Assad will let it lie. So far he's proven to be very adept at reading the international situation and seeing what he can and cannot get away with to avoid serious consequences. He's endured two years of civil war and battles, assassination attempts, and battles outside his front door. I'm not sure why he'd throw that away because a few pieces of infrastructure were destroyed and a few hundred Syrian troops were killed. An attack on Israel, an attack on Jordan, an attack on Turkey, hell even an attack on the US (and allies) fleet would likely invite truly devastating consequences.

    The other factor is that Damascus does not want it's soldiers to think that it can lose the war. If it becomes clear that prolonged Western involvement is inevitable it would be disastrous for morale. Because prolonged Western involvement means the regime will likely lose. How many soldiers are willing to die for a regime that is doomed? Mass defection and rebellion becomes a serious concern in that scenario.

    IMHO Assad wants to take his punches and be on his way. Though if posturing can avoid the punches that's best of all of course.

    As for Russia? They will try and find ways to insert themselves into the region and possibly elsewhere in the world where they think they can gain a political edge to punish the West. Unfortunately for Russia it's ability to do this is much diminished. Probably something to do with Iran, Georgia, or maybe Egypt if the rift with Washington grows.
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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yep Sherman.....Another reason why I like to get both sides of the story. Or as many as I can. I think when they all are saying something that is the same thing then there shouldn't be any dispute.

    Thats not the part copied.....also I would note When all those Foreign Sources are on the other side of the divide. Many try to debunk them if not carried by Western media Sources. Really there should be no trouble with Asian Defense. They are part of the Asian Times aren't they? Or maybe like the Post to that affect.

    And thanks.

    Russia threatens to bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia

    Russia threatens to bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia - Kavkazcenter.com

    Russia Threatens to Bomb Qatar and Saudi Arabia | Friends of Syria
    Those are also not reputable sources. Kavkaz Center is a Chechen militant website to give you an idea. Foreign sources are not on the other side of the divide, the vast majority of Arab, European, Russian, etc sources do not give credence to these stories because they are conspiracy theories.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Sorry but SA is encouraging radicalism with their strict adherence to Muslim culture whether they think they are combating "terrorism" or not. I was friends with a girl from there who was terrified every time she had to go home. She eventually moved to the US permanently since she was a dual citizen and was able to do so once she got out on her own.
    That is a perfectly acceptable position to take I suppose. However passive contributions to Islamism by being a deeply religious Islamic state is nowhere near the same as actually being a sponsor of terror I think we can agree.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Stop for one moment and try and consider what a conflict between America and Russia in the middle east would look like.
    Of course you need to consider how hard core Putin is and what our guy brings to the table?

    I'm putting my money on the guy that doesn't wear mom jeans

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    No nation in the middle east can consider America a loyal friend with Obama as President.
    No nation in the world. Look what Obama did to Poland's missile defense agreement in the face of their enemies. Hell, look at Obama's betrayal of the United States when he told Medvedev to tell Putin he would be much more flexible to Putin after his re-election.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by AngryOldGuy View Post
    Stop for one moment and try and consider what a conflict between America and Russia in the middle east would look like.
    Of course you need to consider how hard core Putin is and what our guy brings to the table?

    I'm putting my money on the guy that doesn't wear mom jeans
    I'm really disappointed with Conservative fascination with Putin. He is a corrupt, autocratic, anti-American, anti-democratic authoritarian. I don't know where this weird fascist chic came from but it's unsettling. I don't give a damn if Putin is 'manly' I do however care that he murders journalists and attacks our democratic allies.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like Russia has really upped the Ante now. This coincides with what Moscow is talking about War. I also believe they have some ships down around Bahrain at this time.


    A grim “urgent action memorandum” issued today from the office of President Putin to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is ordering a “massive military strike” against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria.



    According to Kremlin sources familiar with this extraordinary “war order,” Putin became “enraged” after his early August meeting with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia.

    Lebanese newspaper As-Safir confirmed this amazing threat against Russia saying that Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia’s naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia’s Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord by stating: “I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us.”

    Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off.“These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria’s political future.”.....snip~



    Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria | EUTimes ? Iranian.com

    EUTimes <<<<< 14 hrs ago.



    If Putin attacks Saudi Arabia the USA will be forced to put WWIII on Russia.

    That should be interesting, eh?

    Now let's see how the Olympics turn out.

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    Re: Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria.....

    Well Shermie we know where he stands on gays eh?

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