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Knowledge=power said:

Definitely!

I am as against racism as anyone. I do, however, think that black people claim racism when it is often not the case, and that the little boy who cried wolf affect is easily applied here.

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I look at this way. They deserve the benefit of the doubt. It is their experience not mine or yours and I tend to trust their judgement first. Racism is often very subtle and more easily noticed by the person(s) it is being directed to. I can't really stand on the outside, not knowing anything about it on a personal level, and trust my judgement first. Also, in context a "sensitivity" to racism makes sense. They've earned it, in my opinion. This is not to say that it is never detected by someone in error.

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opendebate said:

I look at this way. They deserve the benefit of the doubt. It is their experience not mine or yours and I tend to trust their judgement first. Racism is often very subtle and more easily noticed by the person(s) it is being directed to. I can't really stand on the outside, not knowing anything about it on a personal level, and trust my judgement first. Also, in context a "sensitivity" to racism makes sense. They've earned it, in my opinion. This is not to say that it is never detected by someone in error.

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So whenever there's any doubt, automatically assume the white guy is a "racist" just in case?

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P. Kersey said:

So whenever there's any doubt, automatically assume the white guy is a "racist" just in case?

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No, we should assume that blacks are criminals. Since according to you, they are more likely to be.

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P. Kersey said:

So whenever there's any doubt, automatically assume the white guy is a "racist" just in case?

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Not the same thing. No. Want I mean is that I don't dismiss it. I assume there is a chance it is present and listen before I judge.

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opendebate said:

I look at this way. They deserve the benefit of the doubt. It is their experience not mine or yours and I tend to trust their judgement first. Racism is often very subtle and more easily noticed by the person(s) it is being directed to. I can't really stand on the outside, not knowing anything about it on a personal level, and trust my judgement first. Also, in context a "sensitivity" to racism makes sense. They've earned it, in my opinion. This is not to say that it is never detected by someone in error.

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Some good points.

Think about this though:

Who would you feel more racist towards?

1.) People who don't assume you are being a racist for a very large percentage of things you do or ways you believe

or,

2.) People who do, and already think you are racist and turn things you do or ways you believe into racism before you even do said things or believe certain ways.

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rocket88 said:

No, we should assume that blacks are criminals. Since according to you, they are more likely to be.

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I never said anything of the sort.

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rocket88 said:

No, we should assume that blacks are criminals. Since according to you, they are more likely to be.

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Statistics man.

Numbers don't lie.

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opendebate said:

Not the same thing. No. Want I mean is that I don't dismiss it. I assume there is a chance it is present and listen before I judge.

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I guess I misunderstood.

opendebate said:

They deserve the benefit of the doubt

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I thought you meant when black people say something is "racist" they automatically deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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P. Kersey said:

I never said anything of the sort.

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P. Kersey said:

You decide WHY minorities and particularly negroes commit more crime. Make up any reason you want...but the fact remains that they do. I merely pointed out the facts...The FBI isn't lying

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I suppose you'll run from it now...

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rocket88 said:

I suppose you'll run from it now...

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There's nothing to run from. That is a cold, hard fact that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime despite only being 13% of the population. They commit over half of all violent crime in the country and I posted FBI and Justice Dept stats proving it...several times.

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Knowledge=power said:

Some good points.

Think about this though:

Who would you feel more racist towards?

1.) People who don't assume you are being a racist for a very large percentage of things you do or ways you believe

or,

2.) People who do, and already think you are racist and turn things you do or ways you believe into racism before you even do said things or believe certain ways.

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Wow, someone who disagrees but actually listens. Impressive.

I'm not sure I get your question though. sorry

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P. Kersey said:

I guess I misunderstood.

I thought you meant when black people say something is "racist" they automatically deserve the benefit of the doubt.

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Know, I guess I did not say it very well.

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P. Kersey said:

There's nothing to run from. That is a cold, hard fact that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime despite only being 13% of the population. They commit over half of all violent crime in the country and I posted FBI and Justice Dept stats proving it...several times.

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You said that black people are more likely to commit crimes. So you did say "something of the sort."

You are running from what you said.

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rocket88 said:

You said that black people are more likely to commit crimes. So you did say "something of the sort."

You are running from what you said.

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This is what YOU said. Not me.

rocket88 said:

.... we should assume that blacks are criminals...

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I said that FBI statistics prove that they commit a disproportionate amount of crime despite only being 13% of the population. They commit over half of all violent crime in the country and I posted FBI and Justice Dept stats proving it.

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opendebate said:

Also, in context a "sensitivity" to racism makes sense. They've earned it, in my opinion.

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what have "they" (and by "they" I mean this specific group of people) done to earn it? what did Ivanka Trump do to "earn" her daddy's money?

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OscarB63 said:

what have "they" (and by "they" I mean this specific group of people) done to earn it? what did Ivanka Trump do to "earn" her daddy's money?

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That analogy makes no sense

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opendebate said:

That analogy makes no sense

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sure it does. YOU can't earn anything for actions or situations endured by your ancestors. If "they" have earned it because blacks in the past were slaves or subject to jim crow laws or were discriminated against. Then I have "earned" the right to dislike black people because a black man stole a mule from my grandfather 60 years ago.


so, again....what have "they" done to earn it?

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opendebate said:

Wow, someone who disagrees but actually listens. Impressive.

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Why thank you. I know what you are getting at with trusting their judgement, and your opinion about them earning it.

opendebate said:

I'm not sure I get your question though. sorry

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I'll try to rephrase it. I'll start by explaining it better.

The black community in 2013 is at the pinnacle of their sensitivity to racism. A lot of progress has been made to gain equality and a lot of people have suffered and sacrificed to gain that progress. I am happy that the progress was gained, because no group of people deserves to be treated in such a poor manner. Now that equality has been gained, it is difficult to justify the cries of racism. In America, the race card held by black people is very potent. It can get people fired, make people publicly apologize, get people fined, etc etc. There is a mentality in the black community that it is 'us against everybody.' It has created an enormous amount of guilt for all other races (especially whites). Simply stating obvious cultural difference is now considered 'racist.'

The question, again.

If you were presented with two people:

Person A) Believed, because you were a different skin color (we will use black and white), that your words and actions and opinions towards them were racist, regardless how how unambigously not racist they may seem to you. You would not have the freedom to speak freely for fear of being called a racist. You would have that sense of guilt which I previously described.

Person B) Simply viewed you as another person and did not jump to conclusions of racism simply because you disagreed with them or pointed out difference in their culture and yours.

Which person would you be more likely to feel racist towards? If you were constantly presented with person A and constantly saw examples of person A in the media, would you begin to feel racist (even though you aren't?) Would you feel guilt even though you should not? Would you feel a sense of racism towards them in return for labeling you a racist?

I hope this clears up my question.

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Knowledge=power said:

Why thank you. I know what you are getting at with trusting their judgement, and your opinion about them earning it.



I'll try to rephrase it. I'll start by explaining it better.

The black community in 2013 is at the pinnacle of their sensitivity to racism. A lot of progress has been made to gain equality and a lot of people have suffered and sacrificed to gain that progress. I am happy that the progress was gained, because no group of people deserves to be treated in such a poor manner. Now that equality has been gained, it is difficult to justify the cries of racism. In America, the race card held by black people is very potent. It can get people fired, make people publicly apologize, get people fined, etc etc. There is a mentality in the black community that it is 'us against everybody.' It has created an enormous amount of guilt for all other races (especially whites). Simply stating obvious cultural difference is now considered 'racist.'

The question, again.

If you were presented with two people:

Person A) Believed, because you were a different skin color (we will use black and white), that your words and actions and opinions towards them were racist, regardless how how unambigously not racist they may seem to you. You would not have the freedom to speak freely for fear of being called a racist. You would have that sense of guilt which I previously described.

Person B) Simply viewed you as another person and did not jump to conclusions of racism simply because you disagreed with them or pointed out difference in their culture and yours.

Which person would you be more likely to feel racist towards? If you were constantly presented with person A and constantly saw examples of person A in the media, would you begin to feel racist (even though you aren't?) Would you feel guilt even though you should not? Would you feel a sense of racism towards them in return for labeling you a racist?

I hope this clears up my question.

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guilt is for ******s

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OscarB63 said:

guilt is for ******s

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lol

I wholeheartedly agree, in this case.

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Knowledge=power said:

lol

I wholeheartedly agree, in this case.

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really. all these white guilt fairies running around apologizing and feeling guilty about **** that happened half a century ago and longer (before many of them were even born). Why anyone would feel guilt over something they had no part in is just plain retarded.

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OscarB63 said:

guilt is for ******s

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guilt and social responsibility are not the same thing

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OscarB63 said:

really. all these white guilt fairies running around apologizing and feeling guilty about **** that happened half a century ago and longer (before many of them were even born). Why anyone would feel guilt over something they had no part in is just plain retarded.

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One thing I have NEVER seen is a black person hold a press conference to publicly apologize and profess that he / she is seeking counseling and fully accepts the ridiculous fine levied for a racial statement he / she made.

That all you see is white people doing this and it being slammed down your throat that YOU ARE A RACIST because they were once enslaved creates the guilt.

Hell, I'll probably be called a racist for pointing this out :roll: and the guilt trip continues.

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opendebate said:

guilt and social responsibility are not the same thing

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"Social responsibility".
Would that be like a person or a group refraining from bad behavior because it harms society, for instance?

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opendebate said:

guilt and social responsibility are not the same thing

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and? for how many generations must we pay for the sins of someone else's fathers before it is enough?