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Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threa[W:423]

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Dr. Chuckles said:
you're basically asserting there was no basis for a grievance besides a racial one. The problem is there could be a endless number of reasons why someone didn't want another person seated by them. The mere fact that the two groups involved represented different ethnic groups does not nullify that
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again....I ask the same question....if a black patron, for whatever reason didn't want another person seated by them....do you honestly believe the restaurant reaction would have been the same? Let's be honest here.
 
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Texmex said:
Just because someone thinks these 25 were thug doesn't mean they also think the entire race is thugs. Remember, a business has the right to refuse service to anyone.
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The belief that a "Business has the right to refuse service to anyone" is simply not true. There is a little thing called the Constitution that doesn't allow them to refuse service for a number of reasons (even if they post a little sign in their window).
 
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disneydude said:
again....I ask the same question....if a black patron, for whatever reason didn't want another person seated by them....do you honestly believe the restaurant reaction would have been the same? Let's be honest here.
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if..if..if..
If "if" was a skiff we could all go fishing..if "if" was a fifth we could have a drink while we fished....no point in inventing a fantasy scenario and using imaginary people doing hypothetical things to try to support a whimsical premise.
 
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disneydude said:
The belief that a "Business has the right to refuse service to anyone" is simply not true. There is a little thing called the Constitution that doesn't allow them to refuse service for a number of reasons (even if they post a little sign in their window).
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The constitution?

List the Article and Section that says a business owner can't refuse service to someone.
 
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apdst said:
I think you pretend it exists in instances where it doesn't.
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You would say the same thing if we were talking about a lynching so I am pretty good where I am.
 
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opendebate said:
You don't think it appears on the surface to be a bit of a leap? And yes, they do have the right to refuse service but they use to be okay to make them use separate bathrooms too.
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In this case no one was asked to use separate bathrooms. You cannot claim this is an attempt on this restaurant's part to discriminate; these people were being rowdy and asked to leave, end of story.
 
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disneydude said:
The belief that a "Business has the right to refuse service to anyone" is simply not true. There is a little thing called the Constitution that doesn't allow them to refuse service for a number of reasons (even if they post a little sign in their window).
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They can tell people who are making a scene or disturbing the peace to leave, regardless of their skin color.
 
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Texmex said:
In this case no one was asked to use separate bathrooms. You cannot claim this is an attempt on this restaurant's part to discriminate; these people were being rowdy and asked to leave, end of story.
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Well my position on this story is that I believe it appears to have racist elements but can't know for certain until I learn more. People don't seem to realize that a little of each could be going on . Just because they were being loud and annoying (if that's true) it does not mean that racist attitudes were not present. All parties can be guilty of the behaviors of which they are accused simultaneously. That is most often the reality of how life plays out. It is almost never all this or all that. We often share responsibility.
 
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disneydude said:
The belief that a "Business has the right to refuse service to anyone" is simply not true. There is a little thing called the Constitution that doesn't allow them to refuse service for a number of reasons (even if they post a little sign in their window).
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Are you saying that privae businesses can't post gyn free zones?
 
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opendebate said:
Well my position on this story is that I believe it appears to have racist elements but can't know for certain until I learn more. People don't seem to realize that a little of each could be going on . Just because they were being loud and annoying (if that's true) it does not mean that racist attitudes were not present. All parties can be guilty of the behaviors of which they are accused simultaneously. That is most often the reality of how life plays out. It is almost never all this or all that. We often share responsibility.
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You seem to want to find racism whether or not it is present. Me, I don't care; they were making a scene and asked to leave.
 
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tererun said:
You would say the same thing if we were talking about a lynching so I am pretty good where I am.
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Unless it was a white person getting lynched, then you would applaude it.
 
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Texmex said:
You seem to want to find racism whether or not it is present. Me, I don't care; they were making a scene and asked to leave.
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Why would I WANT to find it. How in the world do I benefit. The drama? no thanks.

What is closer the truth here is that many white Americans do not see it when it is present. Like I have said before, there do not have to be white hoods and burning crosses present for behavior to be racist. It can be subtle and go unrecognized by the perpetrator even if they are someone who is conscientious.
 
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opendebate said:
You don't think it appears on the surface to be a bit of a leap? And yes, they do have the right to refuse service but they use to be okay to make them use separate bathrooms too.
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Again, being that the entire basis of your argument rests on the group simply being comprised of black people, and the assumption that white people will always act in a racist manner, it's probably best to wait for more information.

But yes, we know, you're not making any assumptions here
 
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disneydude said:
again....I ask the same question....if a black patron, for whatever reason didn't want another person seated by them....do you honestly believe the restaurant reaction would have been the same? Let's be honest here.
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Why do you assume it wouldn't be? You have no knowledge of the manager, the circumstances the request was made in, or restaurant policy. All you know is that it concerns two different ethnic groups, and your assumption based on that is : racism
 
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opendebate said:
Why would I WANT to find it. How in the world do I benefit. The drama? no thanks.

What is closer the truth here is that many white Americans do not see it when it is present. Like I have said before, there do not have to be white hoods and burning crosses present for behavior to be racist. It can be subtle and go unrecognized by the perpetrator even if they are someone who is conscientious.
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Well, according to you all whites are prone to racism. I think people like you thrive on racism being involved in every decision white people make involving minorities. I don't believe this for a minute.
 
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opendebate said:
Well my position on this story is that I believe it appears to have racist elements but can't know for certain until I learn more. People don't seem to realize that a little of each could be going on . Just because they were being loud and annoying (if that's true) it does not mean that racist attitudes were not present. All parties can be guilty of the behaviors of which they are accused simultaneously. That is most often the reality of how life plays out. It is almost never all this or all that. We often share responsibility.
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Your assumption of racism is seemingly based on the fact that we are discussing two different ethnic groups, and the preconceptions you hold of whites.
 
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tererun said:
You would say the same thing if we were talking about a lynching so I am pretty good where I am.
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Speculation, non sequitur and deflection.

The trifecta!
 
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Texmex said:
Well, according to you all whites are prone to racism. I think people like you thrive on racism being involved in every decision white people make involving minorities. I don't believe this for a minute.
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Well you are mistaken. But I don't suppose the inaccuracies of your assumptions is something you care about either. I do not believe that all white people are prone to racism. I don't think that every member of ANY race should be painted with the same brush. When we post in this forum we do tend to generalize so I can understand how you may have gotten that impression. But no, I don't think that.
 
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opendebate said:
Like I have said before, there do not have to be white hoods and burning crosses present for behavior to be racist. It can be subtle and go unrecognized by the perpetrator even if they are someone who is conscientious.
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But your assumption that it was present is seemingly derived solely from the fact that the other group involved was white. Nothing else.

The irony is under such circumstances you are doing the very thing your attempting to decry: casting immutable character traits based on nothing more than skin color. If anyone comes off as racist here, it's YOU and people like Disney Dude. Because instead of waiting for facts, you here "white patron" and assume racism. To you, there can be no other legitimate reason for such actions
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Your assumption of racism is seemingly based on the fact that we are discussing two different ethnic groups, and the preconceptions you hold of whites.
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First of all let's make sure you understand the definition of an assumption:
a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.

So there goes THAT accusation.

You have very selective reading habits, if you haven't caught yet that I have an opinion subject to change until I get further information.
 
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opendebate said:
Well my position on this story is that I believe it appears to have racist elements......
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I'm sure that is your position.

opendebate said:
Just because they were being loud and annoying (if that's true) it does not mean that racist attitudes were not present.
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Yes..racists..they're everywhere all the time...in your mind.

Look..the sun is shining outside..well, that just proves whites are racist. :roll:
 
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opendebate said:
First of all let's make sure you understand the definition of an assumption:
a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
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And that is exactly what you keep doing.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
But your assumption that it was present is seemingly derived solely from the fact that the other group involved was white. Nothing else.

The irony is under such circumstances you are doing the very thing your attempting to decry: casting immutable character traits based on nothing more than skin color. If anyone comes off as racist here, it's YOU and people like Disney Dude. Because instead of waiting for facts, you here "white patron" and assume racism. To you, there can be no other legitimate reason for such actions
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No, I am basing it on the information at hand regarding a white patrons behavior. Which is a white customer complained about the black customers behavior and felt threatened. Which, given what I know now about the way they were acting seems like a bit of an over-reation.
 
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opendebate said:
No, I am basing it on the information at hand regarding a white patrons behavior. Which is a white customer complained about the black customers behavior and felt threatened. Which, given what I know now about the way they were acting seems like a bit of an over-reation.
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So . . . let's see the articles you read and what specifically in them leads you to your conclusions.
 
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Dr. Chuckles said:
Why do you assume it wouldn't be? You have no knowledge of the manager, the circumstances the request was made in, or restaurant policy. All you know is that it concerns two different ethnic groups, and your assumption based on that is : racism
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Having intimate experience in the restaurant industry, I can assume that there's something terribly wrong when a restaurant allows its' customers to have a say over where other customers are seated. I find it extremely odd, and a bit suspicious, that a restaurant would cite another customers request when it came to *their* decision on where to seat the party.
 
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