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Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threa[W:423]

Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

In all honesty I don't want to offend you any more than I'm sure I already have.

You haven't offended me at all. Why would you think you could?

Let me just clear this up while you're here;

You said people who carry are "scared".

I asked you if you looked before you crossed the street. Do you? If you do, is it because you're "scared"?

...or is it evaluating a situation and using common sense to minimize danger?

Also, just one more...Would you tend to agree that giving non responsive replies is a passive/aggressive way of evading a question?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Challenging a point of view that does not come naturally to you does not mean that you are closed to it. i.e.: You made a legitimate point about the reservations and I agreed with you based on your argument.

I have no idea about the point you are trying to convey here.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

I have no idea about the point you are trying to convey here.

(Ref your post 272)

It means that just because I challenge your opinions it does not necessarily mean it is only an effort to disprove them or to prove mine. It could be an effort to try to better understand what you base your opinions on. You accused me of having made up my mind about this incident and I haven't.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

You haven't offended me at all. Why would you think you could?

Let me just clear this up while you're here;

You said people who carry are "scared".

I asked you if you looked before you crossed the street. Do you? If you do, is it because you're "scared"?

...or is it evaluating a situation and using common sense to minimize danger?

Also, just one more...Would you tend to agree that giving non responsive replies is a passive/aggressive way of evading a question?

No, I think it's what you do when you don't want to waste your time with someone who exhibits no genuine interest in listening to you.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

(Ref your post 272)

It means that just because I challenge your opinions it does not necessarily mean it is only an effort to disprove them or to prove mine.

This isn't about you disagreeing with me, but making various assumptions and assertions that are baseless and often contradicted by the facts
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

No, I think it's what you do when you don't want to waste your time with someone who exhibits no genuine interest in listening to you.

I see. You invent a specious reason to retreat while pretending the discussion is beneath you and would "waste your time".

I suppose that might work sometimes. Intelligent people can see right through that "tactic", though.

Ok. It is resolved:

Evasion is the passive/aggressive method you use to avoid the possibility of having to admit in public that you were wrong. Got it.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

This isn't about you disagreeing with me, but making various assumptions and assertions that are baseless and often contradicted by the facts

Everyone here is making assertions and assumptions. You included.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

IMO, it sounds like a colossal cluster **** on the part of the restaurant. I can't say that it was racist, but at best the restaurant staff handled *everything* in the worst way possible

For one thing, when the group called ahead and said they had a large group coming, the staff should have asked how large and then told them how long it might take to seat them. It's called "managing expectations"

If WWC can't handle such a large party, then the party should have been told. It looks like WWC can't handle such a large party without more notice. They should have said so.

However, they didn't so it was WWC's burden to provide some service to customers, particularly since they had 25 loyal customers who were willing to wait for a long period of time. What kind of idiots let 25 loyal customers get pissed off at them in one fell swoop? It's idiotic

The staff should have told the party that they were going to clear out a portion of the restaurant, but that would take a long time, and in the meantime, they would be seating smaller parties in the areas where they were not going to seat the party. This way, the party wouldn't get upset when they saw people getting seated before them, even though they arrived after they did.

The staff should have kept in contact while the party was waiting for so long, if only to show a bit of service and that they weren't ignoring the party. A small plate of something to nibble, or a round of soft drinks wouldn't be a bad idea either for such a large group of loyal customers. It's a standard business practice and a great way to get a lot of people to talk well of your business instead of raising a stink.

If there were any behavior problems on the part of the waiting customers, the staff should have resolved it immediately. Waiting until the waiting customers are getting steamed and then stating that another customer complained about them is an extremely bad idea. If other customers are complaining, then they have just as much responsibility to service that customer as they do the customers in the large party

Worst of all was the reason why they were asked to leave, which had nothing (as far as has been reported so far) to do with their being unruly; it was because one of them started recording the staff.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Everyone here is making assertions and assumptions. You included.

feel free to outline them
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Challenging a point of view that does not come naturally to you does not mean that you are closed to it. i.e.: You made a legitimate point about the reservations and I agreed with you based on your argument.

But you haven't been challenging a point of view. You have been proceeding from your own set of assumptions while saying no one should be making assumptions.

Answer this with just plain, simple, straightforward answer, no disclaimers or caveats -- if their behavior is what was described here:

The group was being loud and obnoxious to both customers and staffers. They kept complaining about their long wait and were talking about how “whitey” was able to get seated, but they were not. The problem was that they had a large group and insisted on sitting next to each other. We only had one area that could accommodate their large group and the patrons in that area were not done. So yes, some “whities” were able to be seated before them, but only because they were going to a different area. We also seated non-whites in other areas too…They made this a racial issue before anything. One of the guests also insulted a deaf white girl because she didn’t respond to one of them telling her to move (she was deaf and didn’t hear them) They were also all standing in the middle of the walk way, making it difficult for customers to leave. We asked them if they could move over, but they said they can stand wherever they want, and if we wanted them out of the way then we should seat them. The customer that was offended was offended by a particular individual’s constant uses of the word “n*gger” When asked to stop, he threw out a long string of racial epithets against one of my co-workers.

Would that not explain everything without it having to be racism against them? A simple, straightforward answer would be nice.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

feel free to outline them

She said the same thing about me but hasn't pointed any out.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

But you haven't been challenging a point of view. You have been proceeding from your own set of assumptions while saying no one should be making assumptions.

Answer this with just plain, simple, straightforward answer, no disclaimers or caveats -- if their behavior is what was described here:



Would that not explain everything without it having to be racism against them? A simple, straightforward answer would be nice.

My response would be that I'm reluctant to give an anonymous internet posting more credibility than the claims of people who put their name to their words.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

My response would be that I'm reluctant to give an anonymous internet posting more credibility than the claims of people who put their name to their words.

My response is that the entire concept of a hypothetical (hence the bolded "IF") is beyond your grasp, then. Ciao.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

My response is that the entire concept of a hypothetical (hence the bolded "IF") is beyond your grasp, then. Ciao.

My response is if you want to blame the black people, you'll be more than eager to ponder such hypotheticals.

I prefer to stick to the facts
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

IMO, it sounds like a colossal cluster **** on the part of the restaurant. I can't say that it was racist, but at best the restaurant staff handled *everything* in the worst way possible

For one thing, when the group called ahead and said they had a large group coming, the staff should have asked how large and then told them how long it might take to seat them. It's called "managing expectations"

If WWC can't handle such a large party, then the party should have been told. It looks like WWC can't handle such a large party without more notice. They should have said so.

However, they didn't so it was WWC's burden to provide some service to customers, particularly since they had 25 loyal customers who were willing to wait for a long period of time. What kind of idiots let 25 loyal customers get pissed off at them in one fell swoop? It's idiotic

The staff should have told the party that they were going to clear out a portion of the restaurant, but that would take a long time, and in the meantime, they would be seating smaller parties in the areas where they were not going to seat the party. This way, the party wouldn't get upset when they saw people getting seated before them, even though they arrived after they did.

The staff should have kept in contact while the party was waiting for so long, if only to show a bit of service and that they weren't ignoring the party. A small plate of something to nibble, or a round of soft drinks wouldn't be a bad idea either for such a large group of loyal customers. It's a standard business practice and a great way to get a lot of people to talk well of your business instead of raising a stink.

If there were any behavior problems on the part of the waiting customers, the staff should have resolved it immediately. Waiting until the waiting customers are getting steamed and then stating that another customer complained about them is an extremely bad idea. If other customers are complaining, then they have just as much responsibility to service that customer as they do the customers in the large party

Worst of all was the reason why they were asked to leave, which had nothing (as far as has been reported so far) to do with their being unruly; it was because one of them started recording the staff.

IMO this whole thread is a colossal cluster***k (present company excluded)
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Yes, that is why it took 2 hours for them to be asked to leave the restaurant. Sorry, but if they were a nuisance they would not have been allowed to wait there for 2 hours.

I would asume the last straw came after that 2 hour mark.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

I also have some trouble with the idea that the restaurant manager would just come out and say it was a "white customer" who was complaining.

If you watch the video at the link, the speaker for the group did not say the representative for the resturant said it was a White person, just another patron. I am guessing the speaker for the group added the white part.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

No mention of reservations.

What gets me is that any time you have a large group, reservations need to be made. I wonder what types of comments were made as people waiting for tables for two were moving past them. I'm sure at least a few of the 25 had to be getting pretty steamed.

That was posted earlier in the thread.

Some in the group were upset whitey was getting seated and they were not.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Show me where I made that claim please.

I'm not saying you did, but the OP and others have.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Yes, that is why it took 2 hours for them to be asked to leave the restaurant. Sorry, but if they were a nuisance they would not have been allowed to wait there for 2 hours.

It probably took two hours to work up the nerve to tell their inconsiderate asses that their party of TWENTY-FIVE wasn't going to be accomidated, because--gasp!--someone would start screaming racism.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Yeah, this was pretty blatant... and they got at least part of it on video!

The fact that Management was contacted several times over a period of weeks, and only made a move to "rectify" the situation after it hit social media leads me to believe they didn't think kicking a group of black people out "because they can" was a big deal. I agree with the guy being interviewed. It clearly WAS a big deal, and they don't want free food. They want the policy that if a white person feels "threatened", black people can be kicked out "because they can" changed.

I don't blame him one damned bit. Anyone who looks for excuses to call this something other than what it was... blatant racism condoned by management... should frankly be ashamed of themselves.

Did you read what one the waitresses said about that night?

If you had you would not have posted this.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

So what? What does that have to do with whether or not asking them to leave was influenced by the fact that the staff felt unduly threatened ?

If you had read this thread and the adjoining links you will have seen the group was asked to leave when they started filming the encounter. Why would you think that was racist?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

I'm not saying you did, but the OP and others have.

Jesus, Mary and Freakn Joseph..... A person can't even say that it is possible in this situation without a bunch of ***** jumping on THEM, This behavior only fuels the stereotypes about conservatives. I did not say that. I said, it is possible but until we have more information we really don't know.
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

That was posted earlier in the thread.

Some in the group were upset whitey was getting seated and they were not.

There were plenty of seats out back of the restaurant by the kitchen... what were they complaining about?
 
Re: Wild Wing Cafe Kicks Out 25 African Americans After White Customer Felt 'Threaten

Have you really ever come across anyone who has ever denied the existence of racism?

I haven't.

Alright, let's put that to the test. Did racism occur in this experiment?

 
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