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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I doubt it, because they worked so hard blaming Bush for NOT finding NBC weapons. It would have runined their entire narrative.
    I think you are assuming a consistency that does not exist in the same crowd that also insists that stimulus-war-like spending (as in WWII) revives the economy, and that the Iraq war was so expensive it was economically disastrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because we waited to be attacked, before becoming involved, we lost nearly a half million Americans on the battlefield.
    Umm, and we wouldn’t have lost half a million on the battlefield otherwise?

    BTW, where in our ideals does it indicate we are supposed to START wars? I know we have a long history of doing so when it was in the interests of our "Manifest Destiny" against a less technologically advanced group…like Native Americans, or Mexico, or Spain.

    Probably from our recent history in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan I bet. All real good ideas.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There was an uprising, post-Desert Storm, that we should have supported, but didn't.
    Really, and you don’t see a problem with unilateral intervention that might just lead to the same tactics by foreign powers? Say Russia, China, India, Israel or w/e seeing our example and using it to justify their actions or acting to create military spheres of influence against us?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is what I'm talking about...

    2009
    Oh, so you DID mean declaring a war on Iran. As if that would not unite the Iranian people against us, or if not that, end up pissing off Pakistan, Russia and who knows who else leading to possible counter-intervention to gain influence over Iran.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think it's safe to say that the cats in their now are much worse than the Shah ever thought of being and I doubt that the Islamofacists would hate us any less, had he not been there. Don't forget, the dude that proceeded the Shah was allying himself with the Soviets. Mosa Deg also dissolved parliament and the constitution, much the same way that Morsi recently did in Egypt
    Again, much of this is due to our past interventionist policies. The Islamic factions gained power because instead of supporting pro-democratic groups we supported the Shah’s reign of terror. As for Egypt? Our support of Israel (for better or worse) is part of the problem with that state.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Tootsi and the Hutu were at each other long before the Europeans showed up. Just because they've been going at it for a thousand years, doesn't mean they don't have to catch up with the rest of the world.
    Exactly, so tell me how OUR intervention would change this in any significant way? Perhaps you were hoping to get stationed there as part of a peace-keeping force???

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Fillipinos are our friends; the South Koreans; Grenadans, etc.
    The South Koreans are our friends because we’re the only thing keeping them from war with North Korea. The Philippinos? I lived there for three years…if you think they LIKE Americans you’ve been reading too much historical propaganda. Better to say they don’t actively dislike us much. Their government remains friendly, primarily due to concerns over Communist China’s goals in Southeast Asia.

    Now if you want to raise a band of volunteer mercenaries and go fight in such conflicts, be my guest. Otherwise, history is more on my side than yours.
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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Umm, and we wouldn’t have lost half a million on the battlefield otherwise?
    IMO, no we wouldn't have.
    BTW, where in our ideals does it indicate we are supposed to START wars? I know we have a long history of doing so when it was in the interests of our "Manifest Destiny" against a less technologically advanced group…like Native Americans, or Mexico, or Spain.
    The world has gotten much smaller. Smaller, in the sense that the oceans no long impede our enemies from doing us harm, on our own soil.
    Probably from our recent history in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan I bet. All real good ideas.
    Just imagine the concequences, had we NOT become involved. You can't assume that without our involvement, everything would have just turned out ok.
    Really, and you don’t see a problem with unilateral intervention that might just lead to the same tactics by foreign powers? Say Russia, China, India, Israel or w/e seeing our example and using it to justify their actions or acting to create military spheres of influence against us?
    Surely you're informed enough to know that that is already happening?
    Oh, so you DID mean declaring a war on Iran. As if that would not unite the Iranian people against us, or if not that, end up pissing off Pakistan, Russia and who knows who else leading to possible counter-intervention to gain influence over Iran.
    There are more ways to intervene than going to war. Stop having such a narrow-minded view on matters.
    Again, much of this is due to our past interventionist policies. The Islamic factions gained power because instead of supporting pro-democratic groups we supported the Shah’s reign of terror. As for Egypt? Our support of Israel (for better or worse) is part of the problem with that state.
    The islamofacists blame the western culture for everything. We could have never become involved and denounced Israel and the islamofacists would still hate us, because they hate everything western. The isalmofacists have been around for 700 years. This isn't something that just started a few decades ago, because of what the United States did.
    Exactly, so tell me how OUR intervention would change this in any significant way? Perhaps you were hoping to get stationed there as part of a peace-keeping force???
    Doing nothing obviously didn't work.The South Koreans are our friends because we’re the only thing keeping them from war with North Korea. The Philippinos? I lived there for three years…if you think they LIKE Americans you’ve been reading too much historical propaganda. Better to say they don’t actively dislike us much. Their government remains friendly, primarily due to concerns over Communist China’s goals in Southeast Asia.Now if you want to raise a band of volunteer mercenaries and go fight in such conflicts, be my guest. Otherwise, history is more on my side than yours.[/QUOTE]I'm afraid it's not, my friend.
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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think you are assuming a consistency that does not exist in the same crowd that also insists that stimulus-war-like spending (as in WWII) revives the economy, and that the Iraq war was so expensive it was economically disastrous.
    Yeah, but they hate Bush too much to take the chance of legitimizing him.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just imagine the concequences, had we NOT become involved. You can't assume that without our involvement, everything would have just turned out ok.
    Well, realize the Japanese attacked us because things weren’t going all that well for them thanks to our economic embargo. They’d already been at war with China since 1937, 5 years before they attacked us. That was significantly longer than they expected and they didn’t do much better after they declared war on us. It’s entirely possible that they would have made peace with China if they hadn’t attacked us, rather than stay bogged down in a “Vietnam” of their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Surely you're informed enough to know that that is already happening?
    I’m informed enough to know we’d have had a friendly Iran if we hadn’t backed the Shah and instead allowed democratic forces to take power long before it became an Islamic revolution. Then we’d really be in a better position in the Middle East than we are today.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The islamofacists blame the western culture for everything. We could have never become involved and denounced Israel and the islamofacists would still hate us, because they hate everything western. The isalmofacists have been around for 700 years. This isn't something that just started a few decades ago, because of what the United States did. Doing nothing obviously didn't work.
    That’s an “interesting” slant on history. I’m not sure I quite agree but I can see where you might get that opinion from.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm afraid it's not, my friend.
    Let’s see. We had a chance to make friends with Vietnam but instead we chose to support return of the land to the French; oops the “Vietnam War.” We had a chance to establish decent relations with Cuba but instead we isolated it and turned it into a military proxy for the Soviet Union. A democratic election led to a socialist government in Nicaragua and we chose to undermine it. We backed feudal military dictatorships in most of the nations of Central and South America and see all the wonderful friends we made? We got into drug dealing with Iran-Contra; we sent troop into Somalia and see how well that turned out? Then there was Lebanon, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, on and on and on and on……

    So of course you’re right, history doesn’t back me.
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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    ! Why is the USA supporting the islamic rebels?
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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What about not so dubious sources?
    All sources are dubious when you're inclined to disbelieve the reporting - likewise, all sources are reliable when you're inclined to believe the reporting.

    That is the sad state of affairs in the once proud profession of journalism and the depths to which it is sunk in the age of agenda news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I don't think the US knows who to believe was responsible for the chemical attack. I don't. If it was the rebels, it might have been in order to provoke foreign intervention. The US has been hesitant to help the rebels for fear they may be working with Al Qaeada.


    Obama weighs possible military response after Syria chemical attack | Reuters
    USA really helped these rebels .

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Btw.....this new battle group to enter the swing of things. Is none other than those who we have been training in Jordan and Turkey. Directly under our supervision. I was thinking which Neo Con or Neo lib came up with the name.
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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    USA really helped these rebels .
    This was debunked in the Middle East Forum.

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    Re: who killed these babies ?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Google Translate

    It's a totalitarian government agency in charge of all news on the island.

    Nice source.
    was USA totalitarian while bombing the japanese babies ,eco ?


    USA can kill the other babies ?

    you know well that l can never accept any of these

    l googled it for you ,no need to thank .)

    http://rt.com/news/rebel-tunnel-dama...mments/page-9/


    oh my god ,look what l found



    they admit it but keep arming these monsters ( USA already lets Turkey support these monsters for a long time )


    Decision to arm Syrian rebels was reached weeks ago, U.S. officials say

    The White House said the final push came this week after U.S. intelligence agencies concluded with “high certainty” that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s forces had used chemical weapons against the rebels.

    But U.S. officials said that the determination to send weapons had been made weeks ago and that the chemical weapons finding provided fresh justification to act.


    what a coincidence


    http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-u-s-officials

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b4_1377229631

    The Syrian army has discovered a storehouse belonging to rebels in
    the Damascus area of Jobar, where toxic chemical substances – including
    chlorine – have been produced and kept, State TV reported.
    Military sources reported that the militants “were preparing to fire
    mortars in the suburbs of the capital and were going to pack missiles
    with chemical warheads.”
    Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2b4_1...yXwOmwK6o7C.99

    these sub human monsters killed our people in last may to provoke turkey to attack syria

    all the western imperialist part is aware that all the maps have to be changed in this region

    thats why the civilized west needs to support every conflict ,every war ,every rebellion in these countries

    provoke ,divide ,govern , a typical western policy



    http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o...94051&Itemid=1
    http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/20...t-bombing.html
    Last edited by Medusa; 08-25-13 at 07:16 AM.
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