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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I think in the case of opposing killing, dogmatic absolutism is justified.
    That sounds like an evangelist. Dogmatic absolutism is never justified.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    That is not even remotely what I said.
    That's exactly what you said: we should kill Americans to appease the Taliban. Allu ackbar!

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Afghan massacre soldier Robert Bales gets life sentence


    The US soldier who murdered 16 Afghan villagers last year has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

    Staff Sgt Robert Bales, 40, opened fire on men, children and women during the attack in Kandahar on 11 March 2012.

    The father of two pleaded guilty in June to avoid the death penalty.




    Justice for the victims or should he have got the death penalty?
    The death penalty. Not only for murdering innocents, but for dishonoring the service.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What makes us hypocrites is when we condemn other countries for using methods such as stoning and then turn around and execute. The method is NOT what matters.
    I disagree this wasn't a civillian this was a solider who signed up to serve in the armed forces. He was trained and authorised to kill and to follow strict code and law. He took advnatage of this training to inflict pain and suffering on innocent people he was supposed to defend. I only wish it was how it was 60 years ago and the army could of just put this guy in front of a firing squad and be done with it.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The death penalty. Not only for murdering innocents, but for dishonoring the service.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    BBC News - Afghan massacre soldier Robert Bales gets life sentence


    The US soldier who murdered 16 Afghan villagers last year has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

    Staff Sgt Robert Bales, 40, opened fire on men, children and women during the attack in Kandahar on 11 March 2012.

    The father of two pleaded guilty in June to avoid the death penalty.




    Justice for the victims or should he have got the death penalty?
    He definitely should have got the death penalty.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Definitely, the death penalty is wrong, even for a horrible crime like this. But I'm glad that this man was brought to justice. A military uniform is not a license to murder. Too many people believe that it is.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    War is war. Locking somebody up and then killing them is a completely different scenario.
    Would you say that it was wrong to execute the Nazi war criminals responsible for the Holocaust and other atrocities at Nuremburg after WW2?

    Would you say it was wrong to hang Saddam Hussein?

    What about Bin Laden, for that matter?

    I have absolutely no problem with paying evil unto evil.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    What makes us hypocrites is when we condemn other countries for using methods such as stoning and then turn around and execute. The method is NOT what matters.
    To be fair, there is a bit of a difference between slowly bludgeoning someone to death with thrown stones for something so minor as an extramarital affair, and more or less painlessly killing someone guilty of going on a pre-meditated murderous rampage responsible for the deaths of dozens of innocent people.

    I also do not necessarily see life in a cage as being any more humane than a quick death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's a reasonable point, but it suggests one has been phlegmatic and accepting of the tens of thousands of deaths
    War ultimately has to be a cold and rational affair. Emotions will get you killed, and misplaced gallantry often causes more problems than it solves.

    The issue here has nothing to do with symbolism or diplomacy or PR, but with justice and there are many people who feel that the death penalty has no part to play in it.
    Perhaps. However, I would still argue that a strong case can be made in favor of the death penalty here.

    What good does it do anyone to save one worthless psychopathic excuse for a human being if it might possibly winding up costing the lives of dozens of other people who are not guilty of any crime whatsoever in the long run? What good does it do if it only really serves to help destabilize a nation with a population of millions?

    Lofty ideals are well and good, but they must ultimately take a back seat to simple pragmatism. Bales' actions were heinous, and he really should have been made an example of.

    Personally, I almost think it would have been better if we had simply turned him over to Afghans.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I disagree this wasn't a civillian this was a solider who signed up to serve in the armed forces. He was trained and authorised to kill and to follow strict code and law. He took advnatage of this training to inflict pain and suffering on innocent people he was supposed to defend. I only wish it was how it was 60 years ago and the army could of just put this guy in front of a firing squad and be done with it.
    He's a human being, and I don't believe that killing them is what our government should be doing.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Would you say that it was wrong to execute the Nazi war criminals responsible for the Holocaust and other atrocities at Nuremburg after WW2?

    Would you say it was wrong to hang Saddam Hussein?

    What about Bin Laden, for that matter?

    I have absolutely no problem with paying evil unto evil.



    To be fair, there is a bit of a difference between slowly bludgeoning someone to death with thrown stones for something so minor as an extramarital affair, and more or less painlessly killing someone guilty of going on a pre-meditated murderous rampage responsible for the deaths of dozens of innocent people.

    I also do not necessarily see life in a cage as being any more humane than a quick death.



    War ultimately has to be a cold and rational affair. Emotions will get you killed, and misplaced gallantry often causes more problems than it solves.



    Perhaps. However, I would still argue that a strong case can be made in favor of the death penalty here.

    What good does it do anyone to save one worthless psychopathic excuse for a human being if it might possibly winding up costing the lives of dozens of other people who are not guilty of any crime whatsoever in the long run? What good does it do if it only really serves to help destabilize a nation with a population of millions?

    Lofty ideals are well and good, but they must ultimately take a back seat to simple pragmatism. Bales' actions were heinous, and he really should have been made an example of.

    Personally, I almost think it would have been better if we had simply turned him over to Afghans.
    I have no problem with any of those people serving a life term.

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