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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not just another country, but specifically to please the Taliban.

    We better do what they want!!

    The question becomes: is this nonsense the result of bloodlust in general or a desire to appease terrorists, or both?
    I have no idea. What I do know is that some people seem to think that they can judge whether or not someone has the "right" to continue to live or not and a lot of people seem to not understand the purpose of the appeals process and just want to kill someone as soon as they are convicted.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    He should have gotten the death penalty; for international PR reasons, if nothing else.

    "Life in prison" isn't something that's really done in that part of the world, so a ruling like this just comes off as being a slap in the face to the victims' families.
    Thats pretty much where I stand on the issue but then again its a dangerous game when you start sentencing your own citizens just to appease other nations.
    Last edited by Higgins86; 08-24-13 at 01:46 PM.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because we don't have to kill anyone, and we are not to take such actions against our own citizens.

    I think you're a religious person, so how do you justify making that decision instead of God? It's a completely hypocritical position to take IMO.
    The greater good. If we were talking about rehabilitation, that would be one thing. However, we are not.

    We are talking about locking someone away to rot in a cage for the next fifty some odd years while we all pay to keep them fed, clothed, and in good health.

    I'm sorry, but I simply don't really see the point. We know they're guilty. We know that we have no intention of ever allowing them to contribute to our society again.

    Why keep them around?

    God judges everyone in the end, regardless of how they happen to meet their end.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No one deserves the death penalty. If your motive is international relations, perhaps we should execute a few generals.
    If the Generals in question were guilty of anything so heinous as Robert Bales' crimes, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

    Your bloodlust is showing.
    It's war.

    Robert Bales is a war criminal. He should be treated as such.

    So what? Terrorists use anything and lie to create propaganda. There's no stopping that.
    Which justifies giving them further ammunition they can use to turn the Afghan population against us?

    You think the Taliban is holding out on us? You think they choose not to bomb when they could? Nonsense. The Taliban bombs whenever it can.
    And what about incidents like the following?

    Afghan soldier kills 2 ISAF troops in latest green-on-blue attack

    There have been dozens of such incidents in the last year. The Bales ruling will do nothing to make them any less likely. It will probably have exactly the opposite effect.

    It sounds like the terrorists have won. You want to appease them out of fear.
    Deliberately going out of one's way to antagonize a population you are attempting to pacify doesn't make the least amount of sense in any context.

    It has nothing to do with "fear."

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not just another country, but specifically to please the Taliban.

    We better do what they want!!
    That is not even remotely what I said.
    Last edited by Gathomas88; 08-24-13 at 01:51 PM.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post

    There's no "gotcha" kick. Just you talking in circles in order to justify dogmatic absolutism.
    I think in the case of opposing killing, dogmatic absolutism is justified.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    The greater good. If we were talking about rehabilitation, that would be one thing. However, we are not.

    We are talking about locking someone away to rot in a cage for the next fifty some odd years while we all pay to keep them fed, clothed, and in good health.

    I'm sorry, but I simply don't really see the point. We know they're guilty. We know that we have no intention of ever allowing them to contribute to our society again.

    Why keep them around?

    God judges everyone in the end, regardless of how they meet their end.

    Then we are no better than the person we kill. Killing for "convenience" does NOT make it okay in any sense.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Personally I think we undermine all the work the West has been trying to acheive in this region. The guy became a mass-murderer and broke the law in the theater of War whilst serving his country ( a country who follows international law in battle) therefore he is a war-crinimal in the eyes of many. The danger with this case is that we are becoming hypocrites as we teach law and order, "civility" and condem the Taliban as cold blooded killers but then when a western soldier commits a crime against humanity we fail to hold him to the same standards as our enemy. The same goes with the Marines pissing on dead bodies etc, I think we need to set an example and unfourtuntly we are not doing that.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Then we are no better than the person we kill. Killing for "convenience" does NOT make it okay in any sense.
    No offense, but when we are discussing a war which has claimed the lives of tens of thousands of people at the very least (many of whom were very likely innocent), the judicial killing of a single homicidal maniac would strike me as being a rather odd place to draw the line; especially when it might actually wind up saving more lives in the long run to simply have them executed.

    Going by the logic you have elaborated upon above, how can you justify killing in any context?
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No offense, but when we are discussing a war which has claimed the lives of tens of thousands of people at the very least (many of whom were very likely innocent), the judicial killing of a single homicidal maniac would strike me as being a rather odd place to draw the line; especially when it might actually wind up saving more lives in the long run to simply have them executed.

    Going by the logic you have elaborated upon above, how can you justify killing in any context?
    War is war. Locking somebody up and then killing them is a completely different scenario.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Personally I think we undermine all the work the West has been trying to acheive in this region. The guy became a mass-murderer and broke the law in the theater of War whilst serving his country ( a country who follows international law in battle) therefore he is a war-crinimal in the eyes of many. The danger with this case is that we are becoming hypocrites as we teach law and order, "civility" and condem the Taliban as cold blooded killers but then when a western soldier commits a crime against humanity we fail to hold him to the same standards as our enemy. The same goes with the Marines pissing on dead bodies etc, I think we need to set an example and unfourtuntly we are not doing that.
    What makes us hypocrites is when we condemn other countries for using methods such as stoning and then turn around and execute. The method is NOT what matters.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    No offense, but when we are discussing a war which has claimed the lives of tens of thousands of people at the very least (many of whom were very likely innocent), the judicial killing of a single homicidal maniac would strike me as being a rather odd place to draw the line
    That's a reasonable point, but it suggests one has been phlegmatic and accepting of the tens of thousands of deaths. The issue here has nothing to do with symbolism or diplomacy or PR, but with justice and there are many people who feel that the death penalty has no part to play in it.
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