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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    First, the Ft. Hood shooter was convicted but has not yet been sentenced. Are you sure you know what you're talking about? Second, the Ft. Hood shooter declined having an attorney and appears, by all measurements, to be attempting to get the death penalty. Nonetheless, I'm against him getting the death penalty.

    Funny how some people against the death penalty suddenly become for it when the defendant is military.
    Before the trial Hasan tried to plead guilty and was not allowed to. It just seems a bit odd one judge allowed a plea deal that lets a dead to rights murderer avoid the death penalty by allowing him to plead guilty yet the Ft. Hood massacre judge didn't permit it. Motive for Hasan pleading guilty aside it was rejected by the judge.

    Personally I see life without the possibility of parole both cheaper and meaner...

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There is overwhelming evidence that it does not deter. Further, the rationalization it provides (which encourages) cannot be denied.
    I find this the simplest issue to argue. Either you believe it is wrong to deliberately take another human life, or you don't. I happen to believe it is, under whatever circumstances.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Before the trial Hasan tried to plead guilty and was not allowed to. It just seems a bit odd one judge allowed a plea deal that lets a dead to rights murderer avoid the death penalty by allowing him to plead guilty yet the Ft. Hood massacre judge didn't permit it. Motive for Hasan pleading guilty aside it was rejected by the judge.

    Personally I see life without the possibility of parole both cheaper and meaner...

    Hasan's guilty plea was an attempt to get the death penalty. Should we really let someone dig their own grave? Of course, he continued to do so; in the end, there was no way to prevent him from trying to get it.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    I think it was the right decision, and I don't support the death penalty.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    chris ,if we are against it we should be against it under every condition
    What do you mean? Iraq? That's none of my business. I'm concerned with what happens in my own country. That's something I can have a little bit of control over.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I find this the simplest issue to argue. Either you believe it is wrong to deliberately take another human life, or you don't. I happen to believe it is, under whatever circumstances.
    So if someone is shooting up a school, you don't think it's right to shoot them to stop it?

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's been around forever and doesn't seem to be a very good deterrent. I think that most people either don't care or don't think that they'll be caught. As for the pro DP people, it seems there are a lot of them who like to play God.
    Well there are other aspects to it. Execution of US servicemen is not a very good image in most people's minds. The last time it was done I think was in the early 60's of a black man who was convicted of raping and trying to murder someone.

    No penalty is a deterrent because most people who commit capital crimes either don't care or think they will not get caught. Self-serving regret of those who have been caught are about the only "information" we have on that.

    I do not support the death penalty in all cases. I support it when the person at issue presents a probable danger to the lives and well-being of others around them, be it other inmates, guards/prison staff, or the community if they escaped. It is authorized by the due process clause, so it is legal. I think it should be used more sparingly.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So if someone is shooting up a school, you don't think it's right to shoot them to stop it?
    Right, there are definitely circumstances in which it's necessary to kill someone. But there's a big difference between defending yourself or your property and killing a person who is already behind bars and not currently a danger to society.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Hasan's guilty plea was an attempt to get the death penalty. Should we really let someone dig their own grave? Of course, he continued to do so; in the end, there was no way to prevent him from trying to get it.
    Again, I said the MOTIVE behind his attempt to enter a guilty plea isn't the issue, that one murderer was permitted to plead guilty before the trail and not the other is my point...

    There is absolutely no guarantee Hasan pleading guilty would get him a sentence of death. No a-tall....

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Well there are other aspects to it. Execution of US servicemen is not a very good image in most people's minds. The last time it was done I think was in the early 60's of a black man who was convicted of raping and trying to murder someone.

    No penalty is a deterrent because most people who commit capital crimes either don't care or think they will not get caught. Self-serving regret of those who have been caught are about the only "information" we have on that.

    I do not support the death penalty in all cases. I support it when the person at issue presents a probable danger to the lives and well-being of others around them, be it other inmates, guards/prison staff, or the community if they escaped. It is authorized by the due process clause, so it is legal. I think it should be used more sparingly.
    I might be behind the DP for a person such as a serial killer who is just way far gone mentally. That's a person who is the most dangerous and cunning, they make a career out of killing and do pose a danger even behind bars IMO. That's about it though. If it is to be used, only the absolute most heinous cases and killing MORE than one person should be eligible.

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