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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Now the facts you avoid inorder to try and claim refusing the guilty plea and going to trial was 'everything' the court could do to improve the situation is severely undercut by the history of military court sentences.
    In other words, your interpretation is severely undercut by preconceived bias.

    Like I said name the last soldier executed by the military. How many Gitmo terrorists were sentenced to death? Pvt. Manning faced execution for treason, that didn't happen and of the possible 90 years in prison was sentenced to 35 of which he may serve 1/3.
    You're comparing prisoners of war and an attention whore that dumped useless information to a mass murderer?

    There was no expectation of the death penalty if the Major plead guilty.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Actually the Court can appoint standby lawyers, if it chooses.

    Now the facts you avoid inorder to try and claim refusing the guilty plea and going to trial was 'everything' the court could do to improve the situation is severely undercut by the history of military court sentences.
    Your ignorance is not my avoiding facts.


    Hasan fired them in May, but the judge made them stay on to offer Hasan technical help with court procedures...

    Texas Tech law professor and former Army lawyer Richard Rosen says the defense attorney is in a difficult spot.

    "He thinks it's ethically improper for him to serve as a standby counsel for someone who's seeking the death penalty when his role should be to ensure that he does not get the death penalty," Rosen said.
    Defense Lawyers Want Out Of Fort Hood Shooting Trial : NPR

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Are you sure you can read? Which bit of, "I think LWP is the correct verdict for both cases," do you struggle to comprehend?
    Yet you managed to couple that with more anti-military, anti-US bull****. Which is par for the course for you.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Who gives a xxxt? This is our country, he's one of our guys who lost his mind. We'll set him free if we want.
    Brilliant analysis, Ray. Mind boggling in its jingoistic simpleton approach.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    In other words, your interpretation is severely undercut by preconceived bias. You're comparing prisoners of war and an attention whore that dumped useless information to a mass murderer? haha
    What you call preconceived bias many others would call precedent and history. bias would be thinking because he is Muslim he would get the death penalty when so many other murderers didn't.

    Actually the Gitmo bunch are not POWs, but a hazy category invented by the last administration to prevent any international oversight NGO from monitoring the conditions and treatment at Gitmo. With Manning you are attempting to subvert law with emotion. Manning was charged with treason and enough other crimes to face a min of 90 years once the treason charge was thrown out. he got 35.

    The mass murderers are two, one killed innocent old men, women and children while the other unarmed soldiers. What you keep pretending doesn't matter is a defendant can plead guilty to a crime without a plea deal inplace (that it is used a great deal to avoid a lengthy/costly trial is again more for the benefit of the State than the defendant)

    If you hold the court did Hasan a big favor by refusing his plea- which didn't obligate the court to sentence Hasan to death- then the court could have just as easily found a defense team to standby, even if the defendant never asked them to help. No one said it would be easy to work with an uncooperative defendant- but it is their job.

    Now you seem to be of the opinion that the court even knowing ahead of time the defendant would work very hard to be found guilty- and would refuse to work in his own defense- was somehow swayed to sentence Hasan to life rather than death? He did nothing in his defense, and yet the court ignored that a sentenced him to life.

    Your opinion is the court gave him every opportunity to try and convince them not to sentence him to death which you seem to believe he would have gotten with a pretrial plea of guilty. but even though Major Hasan offered no such argument the court went ahead and sentenced him to life in prison. (given the mountain of evidence and witnesses do you think he could have gotten a lesser sentence?)

    Does seem to work against the doing all this for the defendant- it appears there was no way the court would give the death sentence.

    Does look like the military held this trail, even one so lopsided as this one to show the world the rule of law is carried out here.

    Even though 99 times out of 100 if this was a civilian trial and the defendant admitted the crime, refused to allow any evidence for mitigation or leniency the sentence would be death.

    Goes to tradition of the military not using the death penalty... period.

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