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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Hamid Karzai reading this news will be telling himself "Holy ****, he took 16 lives and now he is enjoying free food and lodging for life"
    I could imagine some foreighn person who doesn't know US prison thinking that it is some sort of good thing for him because they are either unaware of the conditions, or their prisons have more torture. Personally I would be for giving him to the people he wronged to decide punishment especially since he was on their land when he committed the crime. However, life in prison with no chance for parole is torturous. I am not one of those people aho says we should not do it because it is cruel. I am actually all for it. It is still not a pleasant experience, especially for a person who has freedom.

    First off, he is not going to camp jail. He will go to a max security place because he has every motive to attempt escape and no real consequences for doing so, plus he is a violent offender. He will be spending his time in the worst of the worst areas. There will be little to no opportunity for him to get out of the facility on any work or furloughs. He might go to a military work facility, I am not sure if the military still does that, but it will not be some pleasant place. Unlike prisoners with a release date or opportunities for parole he will know that he will never ever see freedom again. That is a thought that will torture him every day as he has nothing to distract him from thinking about what his friends and family are doing without him, and every little thing he enjoyed or took for granted when he had freedom. Trust me, until you see the moments of life pass like eons while you wish for anything but what you have, you have no clue what that is like. Visits from friends and family might be momentarily pleasant, but they arwe a huge reminder that life is going on outside and all you can do is wish you were somehow a part of it. A couple of minutes with those people is worth hours of mental torture later. Anything you have in prison can be taken away from you. You will be repeatedly naked and stripped of any privacy or dignity you thought you had. You will have people watching you when you crap, you will have people looking in your asshole because you moved locations, and you will have every part of your body examined and probed just because someone else said so.

    Whether or not there is a hell or just nothing after death I say let us take the time to put these criminals through all of this. Nothing is too good for them, and hell will wait.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The court wanted that scumbag to have a chance to explain himself, garner sympathy, perhaps use his attorney. And you think that's a bad thing - unbelievable.
    neither good or bad. Given the refusal to shave, the constant in-fighting with his lawyers and then finally refusing representation I do believe JAG had a good idea Major Hasan was not going to explain himself or attempt to garner sympathy.

    A better explanation is the Military wanted as full a due process proceeding as possible for a renegade Soldier who committed so large a mass shooting while on duty, stateside.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I could imagine some foreighn person who doesn't know US prison thinking that it is some sort of good thing for him because they are either unaware of the conditions, or their prisons have more torture. Personally I would be for giving him to the people he wronged to decide punishment especially since he was on their land when he committed the crime. However, life in prison with no chance for parole is torturous. I am not one of those people aho says we should not do it because it is cruel. I am actually all for it. It is still not a pleasant experience, especially for a person who has freedom.

    First off, he is not going to camp jail. He will go to a max security place because he has every motive to attempt escape and no real consequences for doing so, plus he is a violent offender. He will be spending his time in the worst of the worst areas. There will be little to no opportunity for him to get out of the facility on any work or furloughs. He might go to a military work facility, I am not sure if the military still does that, but it will not be some pleasant place. Unlike prisoners with a release date or opportunities for parole he will know that he will never ever see freedom again. That is a thought that will torture him every day as he has nothing to distract him from thinking about what his friends and family are doing without him, and every little thing he enjoyed or took for granted when he had freedom. Trust me, until you see the moments of life pass like eons while you wish for anything but what you have, you have no clue what that is like. Visits from friends and family might be momentarily pleasant, but they arwe a huge reminder that life is going on outside and all you can do is wish you were somehow a part of it. A couple of minutes with those people is worth hours of mental torture later. Anything you have in prison can be taken away from you. You will be repeatedly naked and stripped of any privacy or dignity you thought you had. You will have people watching you when you crap, you will have people looking in your asshole because you moved locations, and you will have every part of your body examined and probed just because someone else said so.

    Whether or not there is a hell or just nothing after death I say let us take the time to put these criminals through all of this. Nothing is too good for them, and hell will wait.
    That is harsh but he deserves more than that. He took 16 innocent lives at point blank range. If I can make the decision I will waterboard him once a week for life.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    You feel it is heartbreaking? What about the friends and families of those 16 massacred people who will have to live with their loss? I guess all of that is OK for you because they are not real people in your world. It is unfortunate for his children their father is such a slimy POS. However, they are better off without a person like that in their life, and we are better off with him out of society.
    you haven't even read any of my posts in this thread have you? Go away child and learn to follow a thread before you jump in and make a fool of yourself.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    ...why are Afghan civilians of less value?
    Because they're dirt farming, boy raping, woman oppressing, fundamentalist savages?

    Essentially the "taint" of the human race.

    Bales broke regulations and the law, he embarrassed this country, and he set back the efforts of our military in Afghanistan by providing fodder for anti-coalition propaganda, likely endangering the lives of other servicemembers, and for that he is guilty and deserves to be punished.

    But even in spite of what he did I still believe he is of greater value than the sum total of the Afghans he killed.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    A better explanation is the Military wanted as full a due process proceeding as possible for a renegade Soldier who committed so large a mass shooting while on duty, stateside.
    Why? Because a guilty plea was the death penalty without a chance for him to decide to attempt defense. The court did what was right, in the interest of the scumbag.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    That is harsh but he deserves more than that. He took 16 innocent lives at point blank range. If I can make the decision I will waterboard him once a week for life.
    I would be cool if he got his ass kicked a few times before his death in his cell, but that is probably why i would have just shipped him off to afganistan after finding him guilty where they could do whatever their justice is upon him.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why? Because a guilty plea was the death penalty without a chance for him to decide to attempt defense. The court did what was right, in the interest of the scumbag.
    no where is it written a guilty plea means the death penalty. The last time a US Soldier was sentenced to death was over 50 years ago. Has anyone at Gitmo been sentenced to death?

    The court did what was 'right' in the interest of the Military. The pretrial took forever, the Military knew the defendant's state of mind... if the Military REALLY wanted to act in Hasan's best interest a court appointed attorney would have handled the defense, not the Martyr wannabee.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    no where is it written a guilty plea means the death penalty. The last time a US Soldier was sentenced to death was over 50 years ago. Has anyone at Gitmo been sentenced to death?

    The court did what was 'right' in the interest of the Military. The pretrial took forever, the Military knew the defendant's state of mind... if the Military REALLY wanted to act in Hasan's best interest a court appointed attorney would have handled the defense, not the Martyr wannabee.
    While the court has the power to force a trial, it does not have the power to force someone to use an attorney. The court did everything it could to improve the situation for the scumbag.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    While the court has the power to force a trial, it does not have the power to force someone to use an attorney. The court did everything it could to improve the situation for the scumbag.
    Actually the Court can appoint standby lawyers, if it chooses.

    Now the facts you avoid inorder to try and claim refusing the guilty plea and going to trial was 'everything' the court could do to improve the situation is severely undercut by the history of military court sentences.

    Like I said name the last soldier executed by the military. How many Gitmo terrorists were sentenced to death? Pvt. Manning faced execution for treason, that didn't happen and of the possible 90 years in prison was sentenced to 35 of which he may serve 1/3.

    There was no expectation of the death penalty if the Major plead guilty. The trial after so long a delay was to make the military look 'fair'.

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