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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    There is absolutely no requirement for the military court is hand down a death penalty, unlike the civilian court system the voters can't influence sentences with mandatory sentences. The President can't increase a sentence- only reduce it.

    A military defense lawyer can do a craaaaapy job in defense and still 'win' if keeping the death penalty off the table is considered winning.

    Calley didn't die, Manning didn't die or for that matter get the full 90 years.
    My point was that later on he may call for a mistrial for incompetent representation, which can and does happen.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    My point was that later on he may call for a mistrial for incompetent representation, which can and does happen.
    again you are thinking of a civilian court.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    again you are thinking of a civilian court.
    So that can't happen in military court? Why not?

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So that can't happen in military court? Why not?
    Military courts are not run like civilian courts. The defendant can refuse all legal assistance and that will have zero affect on an appeal. All the evidence of his guilt, innocence or guilt of a lesser charge has no affect on the sentence life/death. In this particular case can there be any doubt who killed all those Soldiers at Ft. Hood? Major Hasan was caught literally with the smoking gun in hand. A platoon of soldiers survived the attack and identify him as the shooter.

    No fancy defense was going to alter the verdict.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I'd say we officially (and willingly) entered the global affairs business in 1918. The end of the Second World War just marked a giant leap into global affairs, but it was a leap we took voluntarily. We weren't dragged into anything.
    No you entered global affairs in 1918 with the support of the league of nations but the US never joined and were not a global player again until WW2
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    I'm not a big proponent of the death penalty. I think it's used too often, and also used to coerce confessions so death is "taken off the table." It's become almost routine that almost every premeditated murder, regardless of circumstance or number of victims (unless it's a spouse... that's kind of a "free pass" pet peeve of mine that will be saved for another thread.)

    That said, I would not have blinked if Bales had been sentenced to death.

    However, it's chilling that some think he should have been given death specifically so America would "look good" to other nations. WTF?? I'll add that I personally suspect if that had been the case and Bales had been given a death sentence, this thread (or others) would have been all about the uncivilized nature of America that supports the barbarism that is the death penalty. I've seen those threads over and over for the decade+ that I have been on the internet. I've no reason to think it would be any different in this case.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That's the clincher. It must feel inconvenient for military judicial system that he and the Fort Hood shooter were sentenced on the same day. The fact will not be lost on the world that the Fort Hood shooter was not permitted to enter a guilty plea and avoid the death penalty, whereas Bales was. It's unsurprising Bales victims feel they were robbed of justice, even though I think LWP is the correct verdict for both cases.
    Meh.

    I think you're just looking for an excuse to shout bigotry.

    The circumstances of the crimes, evidence against each man, and cooperation between them and the courts couldn't be more different All of this ignores life without parole and the death penalty are the exact same sentence these days but I suspect the sentences would/will end up being the same if the skin color and religion of those killed was switched.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm not a big proponent of the death penalty. I think it's used too often, and also used to coerce confessions so death is "taken off the table." It's become almost routine that almost every premeditated murder, regardless of circumstance or number of victims (unless it's a spouse... that's kind of a "free pass" pet peeve of mine that will be saved for another thread.)

    That said, I would not have blinked if Bales had been sentenced to death.

    However, it's chilling that some think he should have been given death specifically so America would "look good" to other nations. WTF?? I'll add that I personally suspect if that had been the case and Bales had been given a death sentence, this thread (or others) would have been all about the uncivilized nature of America that supports the barbarism that is the death penalty. I've seen those threads over and over for the decade+ that I have been on the internet. I've no reason to think it would be any different in this case.
    The simple fact of the matter is that Bales didn't kill Americans. He killed Afghans. "Justice" was never ours to give in the first place.

    Either way you want to look at it, you can hardly deny the fact that ignoring the feelings of the crime's actual victims just so we can "circle the wagons" around one of our own sends kind of a lousy message to the Afghan people.

    It basically undermines everything we have spent the last decade working to achieve. It makes it seem like we value the life of one American scumbag more than the lives of dozens of the people our troops are supposedly trying to protect.

    The real tragedy of the thing is that the undeserved "mercy" shown towards Bales in this instance will probably only wind up costing the lives of more Americans in the long run, as quite a few disgruntled Afghans will inevitably decide to take it upon themselves to enact the retribution for Bales' crimes that we explicitly failed to deliver.

    I'm sorry, but, Robert Bales, being the human trash that he is, simply doesn't warrant the effort IMO.
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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    No it isn't the issue, a military court is under no obligation to sentence anyone to death. Death is the MAXIMUM penalty- there is no mandatory sentencing like in a civilian court.

    Hasan can plead guilty, demand the death penalty (to be a martyr ) and the judge accept the plea but sentence Hasan to life without parole.

    It isn't absolutism, it is military law.
    The court wanted that scumbag to have a chance to explain himself, garner sympathy, perhaps use his attorney. And you think that's a bad thing - unbelievable.

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    Re: US solider receives life sentence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Yes it is! Heartbreaking as well considering he has two kids who will grow up without a father. You have to wonder was he always a bad egg or did soemthing actually set him off out there?
    You feel it is heartbreaking? What about the friends and families of those 16 massacred people who will have to live with their loss? I guess all of that is OK for you because they are not real people in your world. It is unfortunate for his children their father is such a slimy POS. However, they are better off without a person like that in their life, and we are better off with him out of society.

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