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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Ahh, I see your plan now. Even in the face of facts which definitively prove you wrong, you choose to continue with your baseless lies. Got it.

    The HHS does, as the link I sent you before clearly states.

    The law grants HHS the ability to do this. It is very clearly noted.

    TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03 (Guidance concerning waiver and expenditure authority under Section 1115) | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families

    And here's the Social Security Act which grants them this power.

    Social Security Act §1115
    And the answer is no. Legislation written by Congress gives the "Obama Administration" the power to allow states to pursue experimental projects which promote the general goals of the legislation.



    Luckily for you, the law said they could. So you can rest easily tonight.


    But he didn't, and neither did the Obama administration.

    No, truth is the point of the debate, and you refuse to acknowledge the truth.
    Sorry you wasted so much time on a lost cause. Game, set, match.

    The Truth About Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Welfare Reform ...

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    Sep 24, 2012 - President Obama does not have the authority to remove the work requirement from welfare.

    The Government Accountability Office, an independent federal agency, has weighed in on the side of the GOP—at least as far as Obama's authority to waive the tough work requirements that are the cornerstone of the new law is concerned.
    In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. GAO said the administration could not proceed without Congressional approval. In other words, to proceed without Congressional approval is illegal.

    "In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval."
    That not what I read. Do you have their statement first hand?

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That not what I read. Do you have their statement first hand?
    If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.
    I assumed you had the link.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.
    In its July 12, 2012, Information Memorandum, HHS notified states of HHS' willingness to exercise its waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act. Under section 1115, HHS has the authority to waive compliance with the requirements of section 402 in the case of experimental, pilot, or demonstration projects which the Secretary determines are likely to assist in promoting the objectives of TANF. In its Information Memorandum, HHS asserted that it has the authority to waive the requirement in section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) and authorize states to "test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407," including definitions of work activities and the calculation of participation rates. HHS informed states that it would use this waiver authority to allow states to test various strategies, policies, and procedures designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families. The Information Memorandum sets forth requirements that must be met for a waiver request to be considered by HHS, including an evaluation plan, a set of performance measures that states will track to monitor ongoing performance and outcomes, and a budget including the costs of program evaluation. In addition, the Information Memorandum provides that states must seek public input on the proposal prior to approval by HHS.

    U.S. GAO - Worker and Family Assistance: Waivers Related to the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Block Grant

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If you doubt the veracity of the USN&WR story then by all means go to the GAO report. You have as much access to it as I do. As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed.
    Of course, you what just occurred to me: there haven't been any waivers.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In its July 12, 2012, Information Memorandum, HHS notified states of HHS' willingness to exercise its waiver authority under section 1115 of the Social Security Act. Under section 1115, HHS has the authority to waive compliance with the requirements of section 402 in the case of experimental, pilot, or demonstration projects which the Secretary determines are likely to assist in promoting the objectives of TANF. In its Information Memorandum, HHS asserted that it has the authority to waive the requirement in section 402(a)(1)(A)(iii) and authorize states to "test approaches and methods other than those set forth in section 407," including definitions of work activities and the calculation of participation rates. HHS informed states that it would use this waiver authority to allow states to test various strategies, policies, and procedures designed to improve employment outcomes for needy families. The Information Memorandum sets forth requirements that must be met for a waiver request to be considered by HHS, including an evaluation plan, a set of performance measures that states will track to monitor ongoing performance and outcomes, and a budget including the costs of program evaluation. In addition, the Information Memorandum provides that states must seek public input on the proposal prior to approval by HHS.

    U.S. GAO - Worker and Family Assistance: Waivers Related to the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Block Grant
    Yes. That July memorandum is what GAO determined in September was illegal.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. That July memorandum is what GAO determined in September was illegal.
    That's not exactly what it says. It says it has to be done under certain conditions.

    Tell what waivers have been granted as I failed to find any.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Of course, you what just occurred to me: there haven't been any waivers.
    No, there have not, because the federal government lacks the authority to proceed without Congressional approval.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not exactly what it says. It says it has to be done under certain conditions.

    Tell what waivers have been granted as I failed to find any.
    You think the report linked in your post is the one related to the USN&WR column?
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