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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    ". . . continues . . ." Indeed. As I said, no enforcement. The work requirement is gone.
    Ahh, I see your plan now. Even in the face of facts which definitively prove you wrong, you choose to continue with your baseless lies. Got it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And you believe the POTUS has the authority to just waive it rather than rewriting the law?
    The HHS does, as the link I sent you before clearly states.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The executive branch does not write the law. Simply because Obama is too lazy, or lacks legislative support, does not not relieve him of the need to enforce the law as written and funded by congress.
    The law grants HHS the ability to do this. It is very clearly noted.

    TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03 (Guidance concerning waiver and expenditure authority under Section 1115) | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families

    And here's the Social Security Act which grants them this power.

    Social Security Act §1115
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The "why" is irrelevant. The question is whether BHO acted beyond his authority; why he did it doesn't matter.
    And the answer is no. Legislation written by Congress gives the "Obama Administration" the power to allow states to pursue experimental projects which promote the general goals of the legislation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Seems to me that setting aside an important federal statute is a little different. To say that "laws don't have to be enforced" is to say that we're no longer a nation of laws.
    Luckily for you, the law said they could. So you can rest easily tonight.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Have you suddenly become senile? Read the post(s) to which I replied - they were not discussing UHC, your favorite diversion, but Obama waiving the work requirement law for welfare.
    But he didn't, and neither did the Obama administration.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I believe the legality is the point of the debate. We live under a lawless regime.
    No, truth is the point of the debate, and you refuse to acknowledge the truth.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Ahh, I see your plan now. Even in the face of facts which definitively prove you wrong, you choose to continue with your baseless lies. Got it.

    The HHS does, as the link I sent you before clearly states.

    The law grants HHS the ability to do this. It is very clearly noted.

    TANF-ACF-IM-2012-03 (Guidance concerning waiver and expenditure authority under Section 1115) | Office of Family Assistance | Administration for Children and Families

    And here's the Social Security Act which grants them this power.

    Social Security Act §1115
    And the answer is no. Legislation written by Congress gives the "Obama Administration" the power to allow states to pursue experimental projects which promote the general goals of the legislation.



    Luckily for you, the law said they could. So you can rest easily tonight.


    But he didn't, and neither did the Obama administration.

    No, truth is the point of the debate, and you refuse to acknowledge the truth.
    So, these "demonstration projects" are evaluated how, when and by who? Have we, in fact, seen a reduction in the out of wedlock childbirth rate, an increase in two parent households or people being able to leave the TANF program in shorter periods of time and with less federal spending by those in states/areas based on implementation of these "demonstration projects"?
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    The truth is that we don't follow the Constitution anymore.
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Like when the Republican Governor of Nebraska asked Obama to delay authorizing the Keystone Pipeline.

    People with ODS blamed Obama for doing what the governor asked the, and now they're blaming Obama for this too.
    That may well be the case, but republicans often argue to let states have more of a say. . . . unless of course the president is a democrat.


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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So, these "demonstration projects" are evaluated how, when and by who?
    The HHS (the Secretary, technically...but you know how that goes), and I would assume the how and when is determined when a plan is submitted and improved.

    Have we, in fact, seen a reduction in the out of wedlock childbirth rate, an increase in two parent households or people being able to leave the TANF program in shorter periods of time and with less federal spending by those in states/areas based on implementation of these "demonstration projects"?
    As of March of this year, no state had even applied for the waiver. So, even if a waiver had been applied and granted since then, it'd be too early to determine.

    In a statement, the White House said that flexibility for the plan was requested by governors of both political parties to allow states to test ways to potentially make the program more effective.


    “Ultimately, no States formally applied for State waivers, deterred in part by inaccurate claims about what the policy involves; therefore, the limiting provision would have no practical effect on any pending application,” the statement said.

    House bars state welfare work waivers - Washington Times

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The truth is that we don't follow the Constitution anymore.
    Actually, some use it as a guideline for what NOT to do... which if current events are any indicator, is what they've been teaching in Harvard Law for the past few decades.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That may well be the case, but republicans often argue to let states have more of a say. . . . unless of course the president is a democrat.


    Playing the victim eh? :
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by EdwinWillers View Post
    Actually, some use it as a guideline for what NOT to do... which if current events are any indicator, is what they've been teaching in Harvard Law for the past few decades.
    Well, Obama does view the constitution as a charter of negative liberties....
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Playing the victim eh? :
    Nope. Just noting the hypocrisy.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not what they said. They said Obama should have allowed congress the opportunity to weigh in. That's not exactly the same as illegal or lawless.
    No. GAO said the administration could not proceed without Congressional approval. In other words, to proceed without Congressional approval is illegal.

    "In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval."
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