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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I did.

    A more nuanced view comes from Ron Haskins, who was instrumental in crafting the original law. He told our colleagues at Wonkblog that the concept of the waivers is a good one, though the process used by the administration was unfair. “It might not be illegal,” he said. “But [HHS] didn’t even consult with the Republicans. They knew the spirit of the law, and they violated that.”

    In other words, we are mainly talking about a process foul and poor coordination with Congress. One of the main critics of the waivers, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), conceded as much when the Salt Lake Tribune noted that the administration said it was responding to a request from the Republican governor of Hatch’s state.

    “Hatch does not believe that HHS has the legal authority to waive TANF work rules,” Hatch spokesman Matt Harakal told the Tribune. “This is a completely different issue than giving states flexibility through a regular reauthorization of TANF.”

    It is also important to note that no waivers have yet been issued. The Romney campaign ad goes much too far when it suggests Obama has already taken action to “drop work requirements.” The ad further states that “under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and you wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check.”

    Here, the Romney campaign is asserting an extreme interpretation of what might happen under these rules, but it is certainly not based on any specific “Obama plan.” (The Romney campaign often cries foul when Obama offers his own interpretation of still-vague Romney plans.) What really matters are the plans submitted by governors — and, as our colleague Greg Sargent noted, the two Republican governors seeking waivers issued statements saying they were not planning to weaken work requirements.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

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    GAO said the administration acted illegally. End of story.
    That's not what they said. They said Obama should have allowed congress the opportunity to weigh in. That's not exactly the same as illegal or lawless.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Guess he does. But feel free to challenge it.

    “In times of reduced funding, waivers may be the best method to allow states to find effective and efficient approaches to assist the unemployed to find and keep work,” the Utah Department of Workforce Services wrote to federal welfare officials last year.
    Republicans criticized the new policy shortly after it was implemented on July 12. That prompted Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, a Republican who supports Romney, to issue a July 17 press release “defending Utah’s waiver request for state flexibility to achieve work-related outcomes for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) recipients.”

    Does Obama’s Plan ‘Gut Welfare Reform’?


    Romney’s ad says, "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."

    That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's not what they said. They said Obama should have allowed congress the opportunity to weigh in. That's not exactly the same as illegal or lawless.
    So, if a president decides not to enforce the civil rights act, you're gona be cool with it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Haven't we Heard for the last 5 years that if you have a problem with something Obama did, it was because of his race?

    If Obama did something another President did, you don't have the right to be against it because you will be called a racist.

    Why should we discount the color of his skin in this discussion then?
    I know. I'm so tired of being called racist merely because I disagree with Obama. As far as I'm concerned, there's no one more racist than those who throw around that label as cavalierly as they do in the Obama context. It isn't the color of his skin that causing the impeachable behavior; it's his world view, his disdain for the law, his disgust for the Constitution and his hatred of everything that made this country what it once was before he usurped the throne. But it isn't just him; it's all his minions and those who for the past century have been undermining everything good and decent in this nation - ironically, people who a hundred years ago were avidly and despicably racist themselves. It's truly shameful what's going on under our very noses...

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    I agree. Just because he can't be impeached because the democrats would never vote to impeach, doesn't mean he hasn't committed impeachable offenses. It needs to be said, and Colburn is right to say it.
    Ah..yup.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Why haven't Republicans in the House brought up impeachment charges?

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, the president doesn't have the authority to dissolve legislation. It's why we have 3 branches of government.
    It's not dissolved. And this was the states asking for it, not Obama.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, if a president decides not to enforce the civil rights act, you're gona be cool with it?
    Very different situations. One, the welfare, has a rationale that seeks to help for a limited time. The other, civil rights, can only hurt.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's not dissolved. And this was the states asking for it, not Obama.
    Like when the Republican Governor of Nebraska asked Obama to delay authorizing the Keystone Pipeline.

    People with ODS blamed Obama for doing what the governor asked the, and now they're blaming Obama for this too.

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