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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which court has declared it unlawful?

    More like ran out of ways to change the subject or dodge questions.
    Nah. Just tired of the nattering.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

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    Which court has declared it unlawful?

    More like ran out of ways to change the subject or dodge questions.
    The Truth About Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Welfare Reform ...

    US News & World Report | News & Rankings | Best Colleges, Best Hospitals, and moreOpinionPeter Roff
    Sep 24, 2012 - President Obama does not have the authority to remove the work requirement from welfare.

    The Government Accountability Office, an independent federal agency, has weighed in on the side of the GOP—at least as far as Obama's authority to waive the tough work requirements that are the cornerstone of the new law is concerned.
    In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

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    No, we don't. He broke no law. It was legally presented to him, and legally waived. It's stupid to call it a lawless regime.
    The Truth About Barack Obama, Mitt Romney, and Welfare Reform ...

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    Sep 24, 2012 - President Obama does not have the authority to remove the work requirement from welfare.

    The Government Accountability Office, an independent federal agency, has weighed in on the side of the GOP—at least as far as Obama's authority to waive the tough work requirements that are the cornerstone of the new law is concerned.
    In early September the agency issued a report that stated the waivers the administration had announced could not be accomplished unilaterally and needed, instead, to be submitted to Congress for approval.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's what the states asked him to do. So they thought he did. But laws don't have to be enforced. For example, a police officer doesn't have to stop you for speeding.
    The president doesn't have the authority to say which legislation is to be implemented and which isn't.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which court has declared it unlawful?

    More like ran out of ways to change the subject or dodge questions.
    Are you suggesting that the president has the authority to dissolve congressional legislation?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Really? Which court upheld the legality?
    Then instead of talking silliness, challenge it.

    Have a good night.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Why? Because the "lawless regime" won't prosecute itself?
    No, because it isn't lawless. It's dealing with a real issues to help the states, not him.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The president doesn't have the authority to say which legislation is to be implemented and which isn't.
    Guess he does. But feel free to challenge it.

    “In times of reduced funding, waivers may be the best method to allow states to find effective and efficient approaches to assist the unemployed to find and keep work,” the Utah Department of Workforce Services wrote to federal welfare officials last year.
    Republicans criticized the new policy shortly after it was implemented on July 12. That prompted Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, a Republican who supports Romney, to issue a July 17 press release “defending Utah’s waiver request for state flexibility to achieve work-related outcomes for Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF) recipients.”

    Does Obama’s Plan ‘Gut Welfare Reform’?


    Romney’s ad says, "Under Obama’s plan (for welfare), you wouldn’t have to work and wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check."

    That's a drastic distortion of the planned changes to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families. By granting waivers to states, the Obama administration is seeking to make welfare-to-work efforts more successful, not end them. What’s more, the waivers would apply to individually evaluated pilot programs -- HHS is not proposing a blanket, national change to welfare law.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then instead of talking silliness, challenge it.

    Have a good night.
    GAO already did. See my #153.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    GAO already did. See my #153.
    I did.

    A more nuanced view comes from Ron Haskins, who was instrumental in crafting the original law. He told our colleagues at Wonkblog that the concept of the waivers is a good one, though the process used by the administration was unfair. “It might not be illegal,” he said. “But [HHS] didn’t even consult with the Republicans. They knew the spirit of the law, and they violated that.”

    In other words, we are mainly talking about a process foul and poor coordination with Congress. One of the main critics of the waivers, Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), conceded as much when the Salt Lake Tribune noted that the administration said it was responding to a request from the Republican governor of Hatch’s state.

    “Hatch does not believe that HHS has the legal authority to waive TANF work rules,” Hatch spokesman Matt Harakal told the Tribune. “This is a completely different issue than giving states flexibility through a regular reauthorization of TANF.”

    It is also important to note that no waivers have yet been issued. The Romney campaign ad goes much too far when it suggests Obama has already taken action to “drop work requirements.” The ad further states that “under Obama’s plan, you wouldn’t have to work and you wouldn’t have to train for a job. They just send you your welfare check.”

    Here, the Romney campaign is asserting an extreme interpretation of what might happen under these rules, but it is certainly not based on any specific “Obama plan.” (The Romney campaign often cries foul when Obama offers his own interpretation of still-vague Romney plans.) What really matters are the plans submitted by governors — and, as our colleague Greg Sargent noted, the two Republican governors seeking waivers issued statements saying they were not planning to weaken work requirements.

    Spin and counterspin in the welfare debate - The Washington Post

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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