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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Have you suddenly become senile? Read the post(s) to which I replied - they were not discussing UHC, your favorite diversion, but Obama waiving the work requirement law for welfare.
    True.. I did think I was in the other discussion. My bad.

    but it's not a diversion, it's what I believe. But I will go back and try to put it in context.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

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    No, it's saying we can use common sense when need be.
    Whoa there partner ... who's "we" ... and did you think that through?

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Cheaper for who? Obviously not for the federal gov't. The states are naturally quite happy to take "free" federal assistance money (to be spent in their state) without having to match it with state money for education or job training expenses.

    The executive branch does not write the law. Simply because Obama is too lazy, or lacks legislative support, does not not relieve him of the need to enforce the law as written and funded by congress.
    Cheaper for the states. It doesn't help any of us to let the states fold or make them what neither has the money to do. It has nothing to with Obama, or laziness, or anything of that ilk. It has to do with surviving the current situation.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    True.. I did think I was in the other discussion. My bad.

    but it's not a diversion, it's what I believe. But I will go back and try to put it in context.
    It may well be what you belieive, and we all know that, but UHC is not the topic and has nothing to do with PPACA, or even this entire thread.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Whoa there partner ... who's "we" ... and did you think that through?
    People of the United States of America. I used we to be inclusive. None has to be stupid.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    It may well be what you belieive, and we all know that, but UHC is not the topic and has nothing to do with PPACA, or even this entire thread.
    I did say I did error in what thread I was in. In the other UHC is part of the topic.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, we don't. And it's pure stupidity to suggest so.
    Tsk tsk. I'm sure Senator Coburn will be hurt by your remark.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Tsk tsk. I'm sure Senator Coburn will be hurt by your remark.

    The law technically distinguishes between motive and intent. "Intent" in criminal law is synonymous with mens rea, which means no more than the specific mental purpose to perform a deed that is forbidden by a criminal statute, or the reckless disregard of whether the law will be violated. "Motive" describes instead the reasons in the accused's background and station in life that are supposed to have induced the crime.
    Not concerned about his feelings, or yours or mine. But it's stupid. Waivers are legal. Obama did not initiate this on his own. It is nothing more than problem solving. So, the comment is stupid.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    How Obama has gutted welfare reform - Washington Post

    articles.washingtonpost.com › CollectionsWelfare Reform
    Sep 6, 2012 - To be exempt from the federal work requirement, a state would have to ... The Obama administration is waiving the federal requirement that ...

    "The Obama administration is waiving the federal requirement that ensures a portion of able-bodied TANF recipients must engage in work activities. It is replacing that requirement with a standard that shows that the pre-reform welfare program was successful and the post-reform program a failure. If that is not gutting welfare reform, it is difficult to imagine what would be."
    As expected. Just repeating the same old crap.

    Which states have applied for a waiver, and what has the effect been? You've already been shown how this characterization is inaccurate according to HHS. The waiver requires a state to increase employment activities by at least 20%. They aren't eliminating the requirement via waiver. The requirement is to replace the requirements with a different set of requirements to see if better outcomes can be had. Hell, Mitt Romney signed a letter in 2005 to the Senate supporting this concept, but he was happy to attack Obama over it in 2012. (but let's face it, Romney being on all three sides of any issue isn't exactly new)

    You made a claim that states are acting as though the requirement is gone. Show evidence of this. Show me one state that has seen a decrease in work outcomes for welfare after implementing some change under this waiver.

    Your article is from September of last year. As of March 2013 no states had even requested a waiver.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not concerned about his feelings, or yours or mine. But it's stupid. Waivers are legal. Obama did not initiate this on his own. It is nothing more than problem solving. So, the comment is stupid.
    I believe the legality is the point of the debate. We live under a lawless regime.
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