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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Prove it.

    Because really, if you think Texas and Alabama elected to waive welfare work requirements, I don't know what to tell you.
    Ah. I see I'm dealing with a bad faith poster. I'll be more careful now. All the states who sought work requirement changes are acting as if the requirement was effectively waived.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All of them. Work requirement is not being enforced and no one has lost welfare.
    This was a cost savings for states. Like is typical, people throw this out without understanding the specifics. That requirement meant states had to cough up money for education and training that they didn't have. They petitioned Obama to suspend the requirement. It's cheaper for the states, and has nothing to do with wanting more people on welfare.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This was a cost savings for states. Like is typical, people throw this out without understanding the specifics. That requirement meant states had to cough up money for education and training that they didn't have. They petitioned Obama to suspend the requirement. It's cheaper for the states, and has nothing to do with wanting more people on welfare.
    It has to do with waiving the work requirement.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It has to do with waiving the work requirement.
    And that's what I addressed. That requirement includes paying for school and training. Just waving it is cheaper that rewriting the law. But there are still efforts to encourage looking for work.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    This was a cost savings for states. Like is typical, people throw this out without understanding the specifics. That requirement meant states had to cough up money for education and training that they didn't have. They petitioned Obama to suspend the requirement. It's cheaper for the states, and has nothing to do with wanting more people on welfare.
    How Obama has gutted welfare reform - Washington Post

    articles.washingtonpost.com › Collections › Welfare Reform
    Sep 6, 2012 - To be exempt from the federal work requirement, a state would have to ... The Obama administration is waiving the federal requirement that ...

    "The Obama administration is waiving the federal requirement that ensures a portion of able-bodied TANF recipients must engage in work activities. It is replacing that requirement with a standard that shows that the pre-reform welfare program was successful and the post-reform program a failure. If that is not gutting welfare reform, it is difficult to imagine what would be."
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that's what I addressed. That requirement includes paying for school and training. Just waving it is cheaper that rewriting the law. But there are still efforts to encourage looking for work.
    And you believe the POTUS has the authority to just waive it rather than rewriting the law?
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    How Obama has gutted welfare reform - Washington Post

    articles.washingtonpost.com › Collections › Welfare Reform
    Sep 6, 2012 - To be exempt from the federal work requirement, a state would have to ... The Obama administration is waiving the federal requirement that ...

    "The Obama administration is waiving the federal requirement that ensures a portion of able-bodied TANF recipients must engage in work activities. It is replacing that requirement with a standard that shows that the pre-reform welfare program was successful and the post-reform program a failure. If that is not gutting welfare reform, it is difficult to imagine what would be."
    Again, I told you why. That's the part you have to address.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And that's what I addressed. That requirement includes paying for school and training. Just waving it is cheaper that rewriting the law. But there are still efforts to encourage looking for work.
    Cheaper for who? Obviously not for the federal gov't. The states are naturally quite happy to take "free" federal assistance money (to be spent in their state) without having to match it with state money for education or job training expenses.

    The executive branch does not write the law. Simply because Obama is too lazy, or lacks legislative support, does not not relieve him of the need to enforce the law as written and funded by congress.
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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And you believe the POTUS has the authority to just waive it rather than rewriting the law?
    It's what the states asked him to do. So they thought he did. But laws don't have to be enforced. For example, a police officer doesn't have to stop you for speeding.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Tom Coburn: Obama 'Getting Perilously Close' To Standard For Impeachment

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, I told you why. That's the part you have to address.
    The "why" is irrelevant. The question is whether BHO acted beyond his authority; why he did it doesn't matter.
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