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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Bush passed Obamacare?

    Who knew
    Did unemployment start under Obama? Who knew. People were having trouble finding work BEFORE Obama was president.

    Which Republican voted for Obamacare?

    Obama's economic policies are directly responsible. All of his promises turned out to be lies. According to his own economic team we should be below 6% unemployment right now.
    Did Unemployment start just under Obama? No. Again, this is nothing new and it has been getting worse for YEARS before Obama.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Did unemployment start under Obama? Who knew. People were having trouble finding work BEFORE Obama was president.
    Yea and people were having trouble finding work during The Great Depression too. FDR's failed policies made sure of that. In fact his failed policies extended the misery, just like Obama's failed policies are making it worse now.

    Unemployment is going up under Obama. Not down.

    President Obama's economic policies have failed. The people who believed they were voting for a Socialist Hope and Change utopia were delusional. Obama is nothing more than a used car salesmen. Still giving speeches and campaigning, pretending like he has nothing to do with any of this. His supporters continue to pimp his snake oil with no shame.

    Did Unemployment start just under Obama? No. Again, this is nothing new and it has been getting worse for YEARS before Obama.
    Reagan inherited what some consider worse economic circumstances and at this time in his presidency a million jobs had been created in one month. Unemployment went from 10.8 percent to 5.3 percent under Reagan.

    The President's economic policies matter. Obama's economic policies are a massive failure.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Yea and people were having trouble finding work during The Great Depression too. FDR's failed policies made sure of that. In fact his failed policies extended the misery, just like Obama's failed policies are making it worse now.

    Unemployment is going up under Obama. Not down.

    President Obama's economic policies have failed. The people who believed they were voting for a Socialist Hope and Change utopia were delusional. Obama is nothing more than a used car salesmen. Still giving speeches and campaigning, pretending like he has nothing to do with any of this. His supporters continue to pimp his snake oil with no shame.



    Reagan inherited what some consider worse economic circumstances and at this time in his presidency a million jobs had been created in one month. Unemployment went from 10.8 percent to 5.3 percent under Reagan.

    The President's economic policies matter. Obama's economic policies are a massive failure.
    You are proving my point, that unemployment has been rising under Bush AND Obama. I've already said Obama is a lousy president, but the decline in workforce has been going on for longer than Obama was president.

    Only partisan hacks try to blame ONE president on ALL the problems in America.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Sorry but you just contradicted what you said previously
    No, only if taken out of context.
    The first statement was in relation to hiring for an existing business model.
    The second as in relation to profit.
    The third, (about workers comp), was in relation to expanding outside of the scope of experience. Such as a business that typically does 4 story commercial bidding on a 22 story high rise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    OK but the question was what you would do if you weren't able to recoup the additional expenses.

    You might be able to raise prices but not everyone can. Most of these chains are in business because they're significantly cheaper then their competitors. Walmart, Home Depot, Applebees, etc. just can't raise their prices and expect to stay in business very long. You might be OK with these "evil" corporations going out of business but surely you can appreciate their own sense of survival.
    I did not realize "that" was the question.
    You have a legitimate point for the most part, however you might want to check into the profit Walmart is raking in if they are your example. Walmart could literally double the pay of every single employee and barely be affected. Some of it's primary owners are of the richest people on the entire planet.
    Additionally, Walmart makes this huge profit in part because YOU and I pay for their employees welfare and food stamps. Another issue entirely.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    No, only if taken out of context.
    The first statement was in relation to hiring for an existing business model.
    The second as in relation to profit.
    The third, (about workers comp), was in relation to expanding outside of the scope of experience. Such as a business that typically does 4 story commercial bidding on a 22 story high rise.
    I'm not trying to take you out of context. I'll go ahead and quote you completely

    I can't speak for other types of business, or any big business with 50+ employees for that matter. But for my small business, if I need another employee, I hire one. And if I do not need another employee, I do not hire one.
    Taxes and expenses are NEVER the slightest consideration.
    I do not hire someone just to have them around, because I like them, or in advance of having a need for them. Either I need more people or I do not.
    I've never understood the argument about taxes and such vs hiring.
    The same happens in the reverse too... If my taxes are cut I will simply have more money, but I am not going to hire an additional employee just to sit around and talk to me. Either I have work for them or I don't. And If I do have work for them, they will be making me money regardless of what my taxes and expenses are, because my competitors will have those same expenses.
    I will not argue that it is this way for all business. But it certainly is for mine.
    The context of this has to do with Obamacare and it's effect on businesses.

    Can you elaborate what your specific position is on this? Are you trying to claim Obamacare has no effect on business behavior in regards to hiring? I've never known a business (especially a small one) that didn't pay very close attention to what taxes and regulations the Government are either passing or thinking of passing. Especially if I want my business to grow and prosper.

    You want your business to grow and prosper right?

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I'm not trying to take you out of context. I'll go ahead and quote you completely



    The context of this has to do with Obamacare and it's effect on businesses.

    Can you elaborate what your specific position is on this? Are you trying to claim Obamacare has no effect on business behavior in regards to hiring? I've never known a business (especially a small one) that didn't pay very close attention to what taxes and regulations the Government are either passing or thinking of passing. Especially if I want my business to grow and prosper.

    You want your business to grow and prosper right?
    This is starting to become redundant.
    You proved my point by quoting me.
    It is crystal clear that my first statement regarding expense was about hiring.

    You did not quote the second or third but the next was about expense as it relates to profit.

    And now your trying to pretend that I was making broad statements when I was in fact talking about my own small business and even made disclaimers to this fact. Hell, you even quoted my disclaimer, then pretended it did not exist.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    I did not realize "that" was the question.
    I specified the condition clearly enough.

    You have a legitimate point for the most part, however you might want to check into the profit Walmart is raking in if they are your example. Walmart could literally double the pay of every single employee and barely be affected. Some of it's primary owners are of the richest people on the entire planet.
    That's absolutely nonsense.

    Additionally, Walmart makes this huge profit in part because YOU and I pay for their employees welfare and food stamps. Another issue entirely.
    Walmart's profits have nothing to do with welfare and food stamps. They and their employees agree on pay within the guidelines of the law. I would certainly do away with welfare and food stamps, or at least severely modify both, but that has nothing to do with Walmart.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Underemployed, eh? Wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that companies across America are reducing hours and only creating part-time jobs in order to avoid costly Obamacare mandates?
    Plus the fact that people are being forced to take jobs for which they are overqualified in order to make some money that otherwise, they would not have, or that unemployment has run out for.
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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    That's absolutely nonsense.
    Oh yeah? check this out then:
    The Richest People in America - Forbes
    4 of Walmart's owners rank #6, #7, #8, and #9 for the top wealthy in America.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dapper Andy View Post
    Walmart's profits have nothing to do with welfare and food stamps.
    Getting a bit off topic now, but it has everything to do with it.
    The only reason Corporations get away with paying such low pay that can not support anyone in the slightest, is that we have welfare and food stamp programs that pick up the slack. If their employees had to live behind the store and steal for food, that would not last long.
    You can not be for low pay and for no welfare without being for societal collapse. If you want to get the working poor off welfare, then you must be for a living wage. And if you are not for a living wage, you must be for more welfare. Can't have it both ways, not in practical reality.

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    Re: Gallup: Unemployment Rate Jumps from 7.7% to 8.9% in 30 Days

    Quote Originally Posted by Painter View Post
    Oh yeah? check this out then:
    The Richest People in America - Forbes
    4 of Walmart's owners rank #6, #7, #8, and #9 for the top wealthy in America.
    Am I going to go through this BS every time I respond to you?

    I was clearly commenting on your statement that Walmart could double each employee's wage while barely be affected.

    Getting a bit off topic now, but it has everything to do with it.
    The only reason Corporations get away with paying such low pay that can not support anyone in the slightest, is that we have welfare and food stamp programs that pick up the slack. If their employees had to live behind the store and steal for food, that would not last long.
    You can not be for low pay and for no welfare without being for societal collapse. If you want to get the working poor off welfare, then you must be for a living wage. And if you are not for a living wage, you must be for more welfare. Can't have it both ways, not in practical reality.
    That's just liberal bull****.

    People got by just fine before you decided Walmart or I was responsible for other people.

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