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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    I hope the lawsuit is successful. It is ridiculous that I as a taxpayer have to subsidize the odious activities of rightwing churches and their Obamaphobia fetish.

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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    I hope the lawsuit is successful. It is ridiculous that I as a taxpayer have to subsidize the odious activities of rightwing churches and their Obamaphobia fetish.
    Do you have any factual numbers from the federal budget on how much money you or other taxpayers "subsidize" these churches?

    I didn't think so. Church members pay their bills, not you or other taxpayers.
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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Religious institutions in America appear to be receiving somewhere in the neighbourhood of $70,000,000,000.00 worth of tax exemptions annually.

    Research Report: How Secular Humanists (and Everyone Else) Subsidize Religion in the United States

    While some people may be bothered by the fact that there are pastors who live in multimillion dollar homes, this is old news to most. But here is what should bother you about these expensive homes: You are helping to pay for them! You pay for them indirectly, the same way local, state, and federal governments in the United States subsidize religion—to the tune of about $71 billion every year.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    This won't go far, after a lot of black churches get slammed.
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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    The Freedom from Religion Foundation is a 501(c)(3) group that is arguing the IRS is unlawfully favouring church groups. A federal judge has agreed



    more on the suit from the FFRF site

    Response to the ruling from The Christian Post

    FANTASTIC! If churches don't want to pay taxes, they shouldn't be electioneering. It's pretty simple. Would love it if the IRS busted some of them!

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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This won't go far, after a lot of black churches get slammed.
    Ah - the race attack - how novel.

    Gee, do you think the Alliance Defense Fund has many black members?
    Pulpit Freedom Sunday -- which is scheduled for the last Sunday of September/first Sunday in October -- is the day when right wing fundy bat**** crazy American pastors decide to flout their churches' tax-exempt status by making political speeches during their Sunday services, despite the fact that the Bible repeatedly commands Christians to obey secular law. The first Pulpit Freedom Sunday occurred on 28 September 2008, when it looked more and more likely that One Of Those People was about to win the presidency.

    Pulpit Freedom Sunday is the brainchild of the Alliance Defense Fund, a "family values" group founded in 1994 to combat the ACLU.
    and just to stop any attempted reply along the lines of "What should we expect from the socialist, he only promotes race war anyway" I would fully support pulling the tax exemption from any traditionally black church which acted in the same manner as the rightwing white churches.
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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Religious institutions in America appear to be receiving somewhere in the neighbourhood of $70,000,000,000.00 worth of tax exemptions annually.
    LOL.

    Everybody in America gets a tax exemption of some sort if not many sorts.

    So the taxpayers pay how many bills for these church groups? What, what's that? Yes, of course. Zero. They pay their own bills.
    These church groups get how much cash from the government? What, what's that? Yes, of course. Zero. They pay their own bills.

    It doesn't really matter to me if these church groups are tax exempt or not. But it does matter to a lot of people, especially those that get help from a church. I realize nowadays those that believe in the religion of government have little to no use for church going type people but they are not going to go away. If I ever needed help for anything and couldn't get it from family or friends, I would go to a church group long before I'd go to the government. I might actually get help from somebody at a church, the government, not so much, just a sustainability plan for a life full of misery.

    Am I the only one that bothered to read the disclaimers in the article? The authors made it clear they were not experts in any way on this subject and in fact, couldn't get all that many facts. So I wonder what their motivation really was, maybe it was honest but I have a lot of doubt about that.
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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    Do you have any factual numbers from the federal budget on how much money you or other taxpayers "subsidize" these churches?

    I didn't think so. Church members pay their bills, not you or other taxpayers.
    Whoosh, right over your head!

    Churches are exempt from taxation. Focus, focus.

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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This won't go far, after a lot of black churches get slammed.
    I'm sure that's your hope; but in fact traditional black churches have always been scrupulous in not endorsing candidates. They simply preach the gospel of love and tolerance, which doesn't accord with conservative hate and scapegoating.

    The people to look out are the rightwing fundies. They are endorsing rightwing loons all the time. They need to be taught a lesson with a nice big tax bill for all their ill gotten gains.

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    Re: IRS faces lawsuit for failing to enforce church electioneering ban

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Whoosh, right over your head!

    Churches are exempt from taxation. Focus, focus.
    Not a chance.

    My use of the definition of the word "subsidize" is completely consistent with the true meaning of the word. Don't take my word for it, look it up. Using tax exemptions as "subsidize" is technically correct but when used as played off against taxpayers is a bit misleading. Tax exemptions doesn't mean the same as payments as the churches are not seeking cash from Uncle Sugar to operate. They want tax breaks like just about every other type business in America gets.
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