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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    who opposed it?... the correct answer would be " not enough of anyone"... as it still exists... Obama has shown no problem with renewing it whatsoever.
    And one of the reasons was that Bush and crew demogogued the issue, by alleging that anybody who was against the Patriot Act was "soft on terrorism". Palin's words.

    This is what conservatives do.

    yes, i'm sure i am whining to wrong guy... I should be whining to folks who do not support the NSA and their collecting our data... my bad.... carry on, freedom warrior.
    Thanks Uncle Freedom, I will. Meanwhile you can have a cow about metadata in a computer somewhere while, when you didn't say a word about Bush passing the Patriot Act and dragging the US into two vanity wars and 8 years of torturing captured suspects.

    It's what conservatives do.

    i'm sorry about " hyperventilating".. but have no fear, you are not going to lose your title as the biggest hyperventilater on the internet.
    You should apologize. Anybody who says something so ridiculous can't be taken seriously until they do. Wait, you weren't sincere . . .

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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    And one of the reasons was that Bush and crew demogogued the issue, by alleging that anybody who was against the Patriot Act was "soft on terrorism". Palin's words.

    This is what conservatives do.
    like i said, I'm sure glad Obama came on board to rectify that.... by renewing it....twice.



    Thanks Uncle Freedom, I will. Meanwhile you can have a cow about metadata in a computer somewhere while, when you didn't say a word about Bush passing the Patriot Act and dragging the US into two vanity wars and 8 years of torturing captured suspects.

    It's what conservatives do.
    I spend a few years online opposing the Patriot act... back then it was Republicans supporting it, now it's you lemming Democrats... it's ok, you'll be back to opposing it after your team gets out of office.

    aww crap, i just ****ed up your meme, didn't i... sorry about that, mememaster.....remind me to lie next time.. together, we can keep your narratives intact, we just gotta work together.
    maybe a password will work.. just type " rutabaga" and i'll know when to lie about stuff to keep your narrative on track.


    You should apologize. Anybody who says something so ridiculous can't be taken seriously until they do. Wait, you weren't sincere . . .
    i was very sincere.... you absolutely will not lose your title to the likes of me.

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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    There was probable cause; the whole arrest took place as the man was under suspicion of selling crack a felony- the cellphone is an accessory to this crime so police can check it without a warrant.

    If the man had been arrested for murder and he had a gun on him, are the police not allowed to take his gun as evidence because of the Second Amendment?
    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    New technologies will require precedent and new rulings on privacy. Though I certainly hope that the supreme court finds the contents of a phone which you own and is in your possession to be private it is within the powers of his position to ask for a definitive ruling on the matter and to challenge the idea those things are private. It is just the way we come up with decisions on these things. It is not Obama's job to interpret the laws of privacy and it is completely appropriate for him to seek a ruling from the highest court on those issues. The only danger I find is that the court itself has become partisan and unreliable in these areas and may make a ruling that follows party lines rather than the ideals which inspired the protections against illegal searches. I cannot blame obama for the hackery of the supreme court in regards to political standing over constitutional interpretation.
    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, this sounds like something of a nonissue that the media's trying to inflame. The WH isn't asking for the power to search cell phones in general without a warrant. It's asking for clarification of court cases which, for some reason excluded cell phone searches after somebody was arrested. Generally, if you arrest somebody on probable cause, you don't need a warrant to go through the possessions on his person. Cell phones are a little different since you have to activate them. But in the context of an arrest for a crime that's taking place, I think I might want the police to get into his cell phone to see if he had an accomplice he's warned, etc.

    But it is a difficult case on the facts. It isn't about listening into cell phones, helter skelter, as the title suggests.
    The above pretty much summarizes my take on the matter.

    This isn't the first time the question of "personal privacy" and cellphones have come up where clarification of the 2nd Amendment is concerned. Folks just have to remember that the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect citizens from improper (warrantless) search of their homes and unauthorized seizure thereof. However, the Supreme Court has long ruled that local, state and federal authorities can search your vehicle as long as they have probably cause to do so.

    In the case of the OP, searching the man's cellphone for phone calls or text messages would fall under probably cause since the issues centers around illegal drug dealing. And as we all know many drug dealers use their cell phones today to make contact with their clients in much the same way as beepers use to be their communications tool of choice. So, if beepers were fair game back then, why can't cellphones also be in-bounds today? Different communications device, more personal data, but the information/contact scheme is the same.

    The Supreme Court does need to rule on this issue soon.
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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by greyhat View Post
    Haven't you heard of They!? They're out to get you! They give a shyt about you so much that they read your emails, texts; heck they even watch your Skype video calls. They have nothing better to do than spy on you! They watch you ALL the time- they even know what you did last summer!!

    People are crazy scared of their shadow... Paranoia is a bitch when they're so narcissistic that they actually think someone gives a shyt that their texting Susie Rotencrotch...

    LMFAOL

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    The word government doesnt scare anyone, THIS government should scare the sh!t out of you. And if it doesnt, you deserve what you get.
    I can see my point went over your head.

    And they are all "theys"
    But "they" are not a single entity. They are hundreds and thousands of different people with different ideas, goals, ambitions, etc. There is no "they", just large numbers of people doing what they can to change America into their vision, whatever that vision may be.

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    Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by TiredOfLife View Post
    You haven't had privacy for quite some time now, you just failed to notice.
    Still does not make it right.

    Spin again.
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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, elect freedom loving Republican like Bush and Palin, who demogogued opposition to the Patriot Act as "soft on terrorism"
    Bush? Freedom loving? He is no more freedom loving than Obama. One and the same.

    Palin demagogued opposition to the Patriot act? I think you need to recheck your facts on that.
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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post

    But "they" are not a single entity. They are hundreds and thousands of different people with different ideas, goals, ambitions, etc. There is no "they", just large numbers of people doing what they can to change America into their vision, whatever that vision may be.
    Yea, there is no "they"....

    And none of "them" represent me. It is a "they" thing. "They" being the political elite. Those that believe they are beyond the law...and they exempt themselves from the very laws they expect us to follow....
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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    The above pretty much summarizes my take on the matter.

    This isn't the first time the question of "personal privacy" and cellphones have come up where clarification of the 2nd Amendment is concerned. Folks just have to remember that the 2nd Amendment was intended to protect citizens from improper (warrantless) search of their homes and unauthorized seizure thereof. However, the Supreme Court has long ruled that local, state and federal authorities can search your vehicle as long as they have probably cause to do so.

    In the case of the OP, searching the man's cellphone for phone calls or text messages would fall under probably cause since the issues centers around illegal drug dealing. And as we all know many drug dealers use their cell phones today to make contact with their clients in much the same way as beepers use to be their communications tool of choice. So, if beepers were fair game back then, why can't cellphones also be in-bounds today? Different communications device, more personal data, but the information/contact scheme is the same.

    The Supreme Court does need to rule on this issue soon.
    4th Amendment...not 2nd.

    Smelling weed is reasonable suspicion to search a car, the person driving the car being a scum bag is not reasonable suspicion. Same thing goes with searching their phone...just because he was a scum bag that doesnt automatically give them reasonable suspicion to search his phone.
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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    Its never too late to stand up for what is right. We can beat it at the ballot box. elect new blood that will do what is needed to be done to get it done. No compromises, No backroom dealings.

    Three election cycles and it can be accomplished. We can do it by the next Presidents 1st midterm election.
    Sorry, but as long as people vote for the Dem/Rep duopoly NONE of that is going to change and nothing I've seen has hinted even REMOTELY to that happening anytime soon. People are sheeple and will continue voting for their brand of **** politicians even though the Dem/Reps have all but destroyed this country.

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    Re: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnukingfutz View Post
    4th Amendment...not 2nd.

    Smelling weed is reasonable suspicion to search a car, the person driving the car being a scum bag is not reasonable suspicion. Same thing goes with searching their phone...just because he was a scum bag that doesnt automatically give them reasonable suspicion to search his phone.


    Thanks for the correction...been in a few discussions over gun rights lately...kinda got locked in. My bad.
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