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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no demonstrable positive effect of Head Start after a couple of years of schooling. Those children who were in a Head Start program do no better on average than those who were not.
    Ah. I was talking about preschool, not Head Start. And I need some evidence for this claim.

    We're not talking about preschool, we're talking about Head Start. Head Start is just free daycare with a thin veneer of education laid over it.
    I'm going to need a lot more convincing than that.

    Long-Term Benefits of Head Start Study Fact Sheet

    "Despite doubts cast by previous studies of Head Start, a long-term study shows that a Head Start program of the 1970s, which was part of the National Planned Variation Head Start Project, helped participating young children achieve greater school success and avoid crime as they grew up. Earlier studies of the federal Head Start preschool program for low-income children and families, which began in 1965, found short-lived effects on children's test scores, prompting the government to make program improvements."

    In other words, the studies that show that "the benefits disappear after a few years" may only be focusing on test scores--and there's so much wrong with doing that that I don't even know where to begin.

    Which is entirely irrelevant. Yes, I think we ought to cut all of those things too. Our government should never live beyond it's means.
    No, it's entirely relevant. The same people who were begging for guns, wars, and bombs in the 2000s are the very same ones screaming to reduce any sort of government function that improves the quality of life, especially for disadvantaged people of color.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    There has been plenty of proof provided that Head Start is not an effective program, go back and find the links.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    There has been plenty of proof provided that Head Start is not an effective program, go back and find the links.
    By what standard? And which links? As I made clear in my last post, are we talking about test scores a few years later (which means very little), or general performance in life once they grow older (which means very much)?
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    The information is there, go back, read it, then dismiss it because it does not fit your beliefs.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Ah. I was talking about preschool, not Head Start. And I need some evidence for this claim.
    It's already been widely quoted in this very thread.

    No, it's entirely relevant. The same people who were begging for guns, wars, and bombs in the 2000s are the very same ones screaming to reduce any sort of government function that improves the quality of life, especially for disadvantaged people of color.
    I'm not begging for any of those things so if you want to debate them, feel free.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Why do you not want to invest in the future of our society, particularly at such a crucial age?
    in this case, it is a poor investment
    for an investment to be worthwhile, one should be able to receive something for the monies invested
    based on the data evaluating the performance of head start, there is no educational or behavioral benefit to have resulted from our many head start tax dollars
    'throwing good money after bad' is an appropriate expression to use if head start funding continues
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's already been widely quoted in this very thread.
    That preschool is ineffective? Show me.

    I'm not begging for any of those things so if you want to debate them, feel free.
    Tell that to your politicians who keep increasing the size of the military-industrial complex. They are the ones whose actions concern me.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    in this case, it is a poor investment
    for an investment to be worthwhile, one should be able to receive something for the monies invested
    based on the data evaluating the performance of head start, there is no educational or behavioral benefit to have resulted from our many head start tax dollars
    'throwing good money after bad' is an appropriate expression to use if head start funding continues
    Based. On. What. Standard.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That preschool is ineffective? Show me.
    That Head Start is. In case you haven't noticed, this is a thread about Head Start. If you want to talk about preschool, start your own thread.

    Tell that to your politicians who keep increasing the size of the military-industrial complex. They are the ones whose actions concern me.
    My politicians? How did I suddenly gain ownership of politicians? Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things?!?!?!
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Wrong. This is such a basic concept that I shouldn't even need to explain it.
    Say no more, youve convinced us with that logic.

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