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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So we shouldn't educate our young? Go back to the days when only the elite could afford an education?
    It has been made clear that there is no long time academic advantage to Head Start. It is therefore a babysitting program that the government should not be paying for.

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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    It has been made clear that there is no long time academic advantage to Head Start. It is therefore a babysitting program that the government should not be paying for.
    Made clear? By whom?
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

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    Perhaps I was not clear, my wife did work during those years. We still got done what responsible parents are supposed to do. To say 'but I had to work' is no excuse, for anyone.
    Work is only part of the equation. But did your wife work two jobs at the same time as you worked two jobs? As many poor folks do? Was she a single mother during that time? Does everyone have the capacity to teach? (not talking about the knowledge...talking about capacity IE patience, understanding of how to teach..etc etc) You are just looking at it from your POV of your singular experiance and capacity. Not everyone is up to the task.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Work is only part of the equation. But did your wife work two jobs at the same time as you worked two jobs? As many poor folks do? Was she a single mother during that time? Does everyone have the capacity to teach? (not talking about the knowledge...talking about capacity IE patience, understanding of how to teach..etc etc) You are just looking at it from your POV of your singular experiance and capacity. Not everyone is up to the task.
    Moving the goal posts eh?

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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

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    Moving the goal posts eh?
    Nope. No moving goal posts here. I've stated the same thing before in post 36. Just phrased it differently since you obviously didn't catch it.

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    The reality is that most people are not up to the task of having children, but unfortunately we can not stop them. Thus arrive at a world full of idiots having more idiots.
    That may be. But unless you think Eugenics is a good idea or sterlization is a good idea (in which case we will never agree and we should just agree to disagree and leave this conversation) then we should do what is good for society and provide the best education for ALL and all of society. Before education was available for all what kind of society did we have? Take a look through history and see what it was like before education became available to all and you will have your answer. It wasn't pretty. For thousands of years we had ignorance, abuse of power by those that were able to afford an education, and the greatest achievement for over a thousand years was the horse drawn carriage and a few of the more wealthy individuals actually had a "sort of" indoor plumbing. And yet when education became widely available what happened? An explosion of inventions and ideas and our current technologically advanced society that sprang up in just a couple of hundred of years.

    I am all for any and ALL educational programs. Even ones that some people (or even the majority of people) think are useless. For the simple fact that if it helps even one person then it is worth it imo. People keep blaming things on ignorant people...yet they keep wanting to find ways to make or keep people more ignorant. The height of hypocrisy imo.

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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    I think all 57,000 kids should be sent on vacation with Obama.

    I bet the program will get its money back right quick.

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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Work is only part of the equation. But did your wife work two jobs at the same time as you worked two jobs? As many poor folks do? Was she a single mother during that time? Does everyone have the capacity to teach? (not talking about the knowledge...talking about capacity IE patience, understanding of how to teach..etc etc) You are just looking at it from your POV of your singular experiance and capacity. Not everyone is up to the task.
    Then they shouldn't have kids.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    I think taxpayers need to be made aware of some real facts about Head Start.

    Head Start was part of LBJ's Great Society. Today it costs the taxpayers $8000.00 per child enrolled each year. Since its enactment 40 some years ago the taxpayers have put out over 180 billion in funding.

    At the beginning of the year the HHS released a report on Head Start. Within the report were the results of a study (ordered by Congress) that has been ongoing for a few years following 5000, 3-4 year olds enrolled in Head Start and then following their progress through the third grade. The report reveals that Head Start failed to improve the cognitive abilities of children, their access to health care, and the parenting practices of participants. The federal researchers also discovered worse peer relations and lower teacher-assessed math ability for Head Start children.

    These failures are the very things the People were told this program would correct. Now you aren't going to hear about this study in the MSM, but do yourself a favor and take the time to read the pdf. Supporting something that sounds good or makes you feel good is hardly worth 180 billion dollars when the damn thing didn't work.

    http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default...tudy_final.pdf

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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    then we should do what is good for society and provide the best education
    That would start with getting the federal government out of education, for it has been going downhill ever since they became involved.

    For thousands of years we had ignorance, abuse of power by those that were able to afford an education,
    How does that differ from current times?

    if it helps even one person then it is worth it imo.
    I have never fallen for the 'one person' belief. Helps, saves, whatever. It is used all the time. I think it is wrong headed, as most often the cost vs. return is not worth many of the things done.

    Start forcing people to be responsible, by removing all the handouts, and people will become more responsible. Quit with all the programs to give a hand out, and work on stuff that helps give a hand up.
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    Re: Head Start Cuts Services For More Than 57,000 Children Due To Sequestration

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I think taxpayers need to be made aware of some real facts about Head Start.

    Head Start was part of LBJ's Great Society. Today it costs the taxpayers $8000.00 per child enrolled each year. Since its enactment 40 some years ago the taxpayers have put out over 180 billion in funding.

    At the beginning of the year the HHS released a report on Head Start. Within the report were the results of a study (ordered by Congress) that has been ongoing for a few years following 5000, 3-4 year olds enrolled in Head Start and then following their progress through the third grade. The report reveals that Head Start failed to improve the cognitive abilities of children, their access to health care, and the parenting practices of participants. The federal researchers also discovered worse peer relations and lower teacher-assessed math ability for Head Start children.

    These failures are the very things the People were told this program would correct. Now you aren't going to hear about this study in the MSM, but do yourself a favor and take the time to read the pdf. Supporting something that sounds good or makes you feel good is hardly worth 180 billion dollars when the damn thing didn't work.

    http://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default...tudy_final.pdf
    Ah hmm.

    A bit bothered that they're tabulating forms of correction for the children that the parents give.

    "Parent spanked in last week. . ."
    And categorizing "Parenting style" by . . . authoritative, negative, positive . . . When is this the government's business?
    They analyzed parents with depressive behaviors?

    ...In fact - they're oddly obsessed with 'authoritative parenting' and 'spanking' - seeings as how 'spank' came up 63 times in the document by search alone.

    Apparently - sending your kid to Head Start means you spank them less Well I see the benefit. What in the HELL? YeT - I don't see what the kids LEARNED.

    And - you know what? If it costs too much, they need to END the program for 3 year olds. Problem solved. Kindergarten has always started at age 5. Pre-school, thus, is age 4. No reason to pay THAT MUCH money for daycare for 3 year olds.
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