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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No lies here, sir. Just the fact that Margaret Sanger wanted to wipe out the black race in America. She was a huge fan of Hitler and the KKK had her as a guest speaker on black genocide.
    Yeah, that would be known as lies. Thanks anyway.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree, in instances like this, but I keep stumbling on one question: where do we draw the line?
    I think it is a per-case basis. I don't see this as a question of eugenics at all. Rather, just how to get that man what he really wants, when he lacked the intellect to grasp the details.

    Forced sterilization of the insane or severely mentally handicapped is a more difficult question.

    Declaring a platitude doesn't work unless also declaring the alternative at the same time. So pick one:

    1. Mentally handicapped people are forced to NOT have sex.
    2. Mentally handicapped women are FORCED to be drugged with hormones - known to have serious side effects particularly with decades of continuous use.
    3. Mentally handicapped and insane women WILL have as many babies as their bodies possibly can produce - not even knowing why it is happening and then FORCED to go thru pregnancy and labor (which is always health and life threatening), all such children then turned over as wards of the state to raise.
    4. Mentally handicapped and insane women are FORCED to have abortions.

    Since they are mentally incapable of making decisions, any decision is FORCED upon them.

    Which one do you pick? Which one do you want FORCED on them?
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Well he isnt competent so what if he changes his mind and does want kids later? The whole argument is based on that he doesnt want kids. Well what if that changes? Then what? Did this guy ever agree to the vasectomy or not?
    I think his stated wishes in the context of his comprehension was him exactly saying he wanted the vasectomy. So how is this different from any other man who changes his mind after a vasectomy - other than he is incapable of raising them?

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No lies here, sir. Just the fact that Margaret Sanger wanted to wipe out the black race in America. She was a huge fan of Hitler and the KKK had her as a guest speaker on black genocide.
    That's not accurate. Whether it be white or black, educating the poor in family planning and not having more children than they can handle and afford is nothing new.

    She did favor eugenics, but not as racism. Many people did. Even the Supreme Court upheld laws to sterilize mentally handicapped people. This also was her sale's pitch to legalize birth control.

    She opposed abortion and instead promoted birth control (which was illegal in most of the USA), so I think she'd be a pro-life hero. But I understand the Catholic Church hates her for promoting legalizing birth control and that all of pro-life slogans and values originate from the Catholic Church. Since the Catholic Church hates her, so then must most radical pro-lifers.

    In your logic, any drug store that sells condoms is engaging in genocide.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Yet the guy has a job. Are you sure you know the whole story of what was said and not just what the court and news broadcasted? Have you heard this guys personal story? Or is this all assumption?
    Well, if we assume the news report is an entire lie, then there is no topic at all, is there?

    So I'll put this question to you then. If two severely mentally handicapped people want to have as many babies as they can - or just have no clue they are making babies by such sex - one a year every year to be turned over to the government since they can't raise them - I gather that'd be just fine with you. That mental institutions would be mass human-breeding centers of waves of parentless children by pregnant mentally incompetent women and mentally incompetent men.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The guy has the mind of a 6 yr old. He will always have the mind of a 6 yr old. He has already fathered a child that he has no capacity to care for, and the parents don't want him fathering more, presumably because they could be held responsible for raising the children or paying support for them. This guy wasn't castrated, for crying out loud. He had a vasectomy. Now he can diddle to his little 6 yr old mind's content without fathering a litter of kids that someone has to pay for.

    I do not have a problem with this.
    His partner could just have an abortion or take the morning after pill. The parents just don't want the financial obligation of raising another child.
    My main problem is that it shouldn't be national news. The largest it should have gotten was the local paper/flyer, not even the county paper.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Beyond that condoms fail, if he is incapable of grasping that sex makes a baby and can not understand how a vasectomy works, how can he be taught to use a condom correctly? He is incapable of "dealing with it himself."

    More importantly, why make him go thru that? He said what he wants. He wants sex and doesn't want babies - ever. That means a vasectomy - for any man, not just him.

    No different for a woman. If she wants to have sex but absolutely does not want to become pregnant, it means a tubal.
    But if he is unable to use a condom, then why can she not use the morning after pill and/or get an abortion?
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think his stated wishes in the context of his comprehension was him exactly saying he wanted the vasectomy. So how is this different from any other man who changes his mind after a vasectomy - other than he is incapable of raising them?
    How do you know that? All we got were a few one liners from the trial.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Well, if we assume the news report is an entire lie, then there is no topic at all, is there?

    So I'll put this question to you then. If two severely mentally handicapped people want to have as many babies as they can - or just have no clue they are making babies by such sex - one a year every year to be turned over to the government since they can't raise them - I gather that'd be just fine with you. That mental institutions would be mass human-breeding centers of waves of parentless children by pregnant mentally incompetent women and mentally incompetent men.
    Im not assuming the entire thing is a lie. I just know that stories can be wordsmithed to appear one way when its really another (seen it happen with local incidents and then the later news reporting on the incident). The article said he had a job and I believed it so I didnt discount everything. I dont see how sex could be more complicated than just about any job. According to my reading comprehension this story may be wordsmithed (or maybe it isnt) and I would like to know more. Being commited to a psycho ward is a bit different but I think even they deserve some odd way to spread their lineage (if they have never had any kids) even if committed but I realize society wouldnt be willing to accept this burden for them and setup adoption pathways specifically for these lost people. I just think its tragic.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I think his stated wishes in the context of his comprehension was him exactly saying he wanted the vasectomy. So how is this different from any other man who changes his mind after a vasectomy - other than he is incapable of raising them?
    But he is a 6 year old. What if he changes his mind later? Hes not a man. Hes a child right? So its very different than any other man who changes his mind.
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