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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Where is the utility in keeping it? He and his girlfriend have restricted access to each other, and are currently monitored whenever they are together to prevent them conceiving another child they are incapable of caring for in any way.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, medical necessity is a reasonable exception to my statement. Simply removing bodily functions when nothing is wrong is uncalled for and they have no right to do such a thing.
    I'll respond by repeating the part of my post that you conspicuously deleted and ignored.

    It's just foolish to keep a child from receiving a beneficial medical treatment on the grounds that parents don't have some philosophical "right" to do so.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I'll respond by repeating the part of my post that you conspicuously deleted and ignored.

    It's just foolish to keep a child from receiving a beneficial medical treatment on the grounds that parents don't have some philosophical "right" to do so.
    It's foolish to allow parents to act on their child's body when there is no medical need to do so or nothing to maintain(hair, nails, baths, etc).

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's foolish to allow parents to act on their child's body when there is no medical need to do so or nothing to maintain(hair, nails, baths, etc).
    Since on the abortion threads you are insistent that anyone having sex is consenting to having a child unless the person is made sterile - which one then would you pick for him:
    1. You want him banned from ever having sex again or
    2. You want him forced to have children he doesn't want to have.

    He does not understand how babies are made and he does not understand what a vasectomy is. What he told the court is:
    1. He wants to have sex
    2. He does not want to make babies.

    Any rational court would understand that is his approval of a vasectomy in that it meets what HE wants. To have sex without the possibility of making a baby. You oppose that. So then pick which of those alternatives you want forced upon him.

    In YOUR logic on the abortion board his only options are never to have sex or have children he doesn't want. Since you want him effectively banned from being sterilized, pick 1 of those 2 you want forced upon him. If he can't grasp how babies are made or what a vasectomy does, he certainly can't grasp what a condom does.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's foolish to allow parents to act on their child's body when there is no medical need to do so or nothing to maintain(hair, nails, baths, etc).
    But there is a medical need - and on his clear wishes. He wishes to never make a baby again, but wishes to have sex. Thus, a vasectomy is a medical need.

    Communication is the skill of figuring out what the other person is saying. He said he does want to have sex and never wants to make a baby. How do you interpret that to meaning he said he does NOT want a vasectomy?

    The newspaper article is written with language choice to try to create a scandal. NOTHING in it says he opposed the vasectomy. Nothing. However, because he is an adult it took a court to clear this for the doctor. The court heard what he WANTS - sex with no possibility of this causing a pregnancy - and the court gave a doctor permission to fulfill those wishes. The court did not order a vasectomy, it ordered the doctor may do so. The media then tried to make a scandal out of it. Some people took the media bait hook, line and sinker.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Since on the abortion threads you are insistent that anyone having sex is consenting to having a child unless the person is made sterile - which one then would you pick for him:
    That is not my position in abortion threads. Try not lying through your teeth and I will answer whatever questions you have. Otherwise, I'm not answering any questions you offer.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Eugenics is valid, Nazis or no. You made hate it but it is a solid idea, not everyone should reproduce.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is not my position in abortion threads. Try not lying through your teeth and I will answer whatever questions you have. Otherwise, I'm not answering any questions you offer.
    I was accurate, but then forget about the abortion board messages. It still leaves the question:

    Which do you pick?
    Him never having sex again or have children against his wishes?

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    The problem people have with it is that he could have just used condoms and not made a big fuss out of the whole scenario. However since he apparently has no idea how to use them, his legal guardians could have just (awkwardly) shown him and he could have just dealt with it himself, rather than taking a case to court and wasting time for the justice system. That's my point anyway.
    Beyond that condoms fail, if he is incapable of grasping that sex makes a baby and can not understand how a vasectomy works, how can he be taught to use a condom correctly? He is incapable of "dealing with it himself."

    More importantly, why make him go thru that? He said what he wants. He wants sex and doesn't want babies - ever. That means a vasectomy - for any man, not just him.

    No different for a woman. If she wants to have sex but absolutely does not want to become pregnant, it means a tubal.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I'm ok with it particularly with the parents consent. This also gives the man more sexual liberty without the result of likely parentless child(ren) that society has to pay for.
    I agree, in instances like this, but I keep stumbling on one question: where do we draw the line?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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