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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

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    Has Pandora's box been opened for a subclass of society that isnt allowed to breed in the UK's future? A six year old is smart enough to know the basic jist of birds and the bees. So I want to know if this man agreed to the viscetomy or not. Just because he said "I dotn want to have another kid" doesnt mean "Disable my seed from being able to spread forever." I want to know his exact intention. If they can do this for "personal best interest" why not cut off rapists balls for the "best interest of society"? Just sayin'.

    "I dont want to have a kid" could mean he was trying to appease the judge and saying "I wont have any more I promise". So what is the context? Or did the judge say, "We are going to do a special operation on your balls that will make it so you cant have kids anymore more. Is this what you want?" Im worried the guy might have been confused and the judge let his personal standards get in the way and would like to know more about this.
    no...the legal procedures were followed to allow this... what is the problem? It happens all the time in the US, so why on earth cant it happen in the UK as well?
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    As I said, we have many people that feel they have a right to remove bodily functions of other individuals due to crime or inability to understand their decisions. It's just sick.
    ... it may be wrong or less than ideal, but "sick" is a little extreme. The people they raped didn't want to be subject to invasive action, either.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    As I said, we have many people that feel they have a right to remove bodily functions of other individuals due to crime or inability to understand their decisions. It's just sick.
    If you are willing to legally be obligated to raise and pay for the child as your own, you have a point. Otherwise I don't think you do.

    The topic of violent rapists is another topic that I won't go further on for this thread.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
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    Has Pandora's box been opened for a subclass of society that isnt allowed to breed in the UK's future? A six year old is smart enough to know the basic jist of birds and the bees. So I want to know if this man agreed to the viscetomy or not. Just because he said "I dotn want to have another kid" doesnt mean "Disable my seed from being able to spread forever." I want to know his exact intention. If they can do this for "personal best interest" why not cut off rapists balls for the "best interest of society"? Just sayin'.

    "I dont want to have a kid" could mean he was trying to appease the judge and saying "I wont have any more I promise". So what is the context? Or did the judge say, "We are going to do a special operation on your balls that will make it so you cant have kids anymore more. Is this what you want?" Im worried the guy might have been confused and the judge let his personal standards get in the way and would like to know more about this.
    He could just use condoms and the partner use a morning after pill? Some people honestly, take things far to far for a small issue that can be resolved easily.
    Here's an example: BBC NEWS | UK | England | Humber | Cold sufferers told to avoid A&E

    Albeit it is from 2009.

    Health officials in Hull have warned that people with coughs and colds using urgent care services could be putting other patients' lives at risk.

    In the past six weeks, 64 people went to accident and emergency units with a cold, headache or flu, said NHS Hull.
    Some people overreact to illnesses/Problems that can be treated over the counter at a pharmacy. It is stupid. The man overreacted to a simple problem and it became national news.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    From the article:

    "King said in her ruling that DE, described as a "friendly, gentle person", was greatly distressed by the birth of his son and did not comprehend that it had resulted from having sex with his girlfriend." The girlfriend also has mental disabilities.

    Nor did the man - according to the article - say he opposed this. Rather, what the article is essentially saying is that he doesn't understand what a vacestomy is or does, therefore he cannot decide. It does not say he opposed it, but rather is incapable of grasping where babies come from or what a vacestomy can do - having an IQ of only 40.

    He has the intellect of a 6 year old and parents make medical and surgical decisions for children all the time. How many children scream they are afraid of the dentist or doctor? Or screams he/she doesn't want an immunization shot. Does that mean the child then is in control? However, because he technically is an adult then it took a court to enforce the parents decision of this "child" - who has the mind of a child.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    He could just use condoms and the partner use a morning after pill? Some people honestly, take things far to far for a small issue that can be resolved easily.
    Here's an example: BBC NEWS | UK | England | Humber | Cold sufferers told to avoid A&E

    Albeit it is from 2009.



    Some people overreact to illnesses/Problems that can be treated over the counter at a pharmacy. It is stupid. The man overreacted to a simple problem and it became national news.
    How reliable to you think a 6 year old who doesn't even understand pregnancy going to be in using a condom?

    And why? Never in his whole life is he ever going to be capable of raising a child. There result? The mentally challenged girlfriend becomes a baby-making machine that he bio-fathers - all then parentless children dumped into the system.

    I think his parents made the right decision and I see no reason for him to have to mess with condoms and the restrictions of them. In short, I see it as a good thing for him too - particularly since he said he doesn't want to have more children.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Spriggs05 View Post
    He could just use condoms and the partner use a morning after pill? Some people honestly, take things far to far for a small issue that can be resolved easily.
    Here's an example: BBC NEWS | UK | England | Humber | Cold sufferers told to avoid A&E

    Albeit it is from 2009.



    Some people overreact to illnesses/Problems that can be treated over the counter at a pharmacy. It is stupid. The man overreacted to a simple problem and it became national news.
    Thats what I was thinking... If the guy is smart enough to have a job of any type then he is obviously smart enough to use a condom or his wife be put on birth control. I seriously wonder if this is a case of the judge thinking he knows whats best do to his personal morals and the guys family's suggestions. I understand that people dont want to see little retarded children popping up that are harder to take care of on society's dime... But if this guy is being bamboozled into this I would really like to know. "I dont want more kids." doesnt equate to "sever my sperm tubes". Even retarded people have a right to procreate if they want to, even if they dont want to now but may change their mind in the future. Would it be okay to give a 6 year old a vasectomy? Then why is it ok for judges to order it on men like this? He is a 6 year old trapped in a grown ups body right?

    I would like to hear this guys own thoughts on this before they go through with it even if he has trouble speaking. If the guy cant make decisions for himself then it should still be his own idea. Judge asks, "Are you ok with this operation?" If the guy says yes then the judge can say, "I agree also."

    It shouldnt be, "I dont want (or currently not planning) any more kids."

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Am I the only one who has no problem with this? The man's parents are his legal guardians, I presume, made their case to the judge and the judge agreed. End of story.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    ... it may be wrong or less than ideal, but "sick" is a little extreme. The people they raped didn't want to be subject to invasive action, either.
    No, it's not extreme at all. Promoting the idea it's ok to remove the bodily functions of people against their will is sick. Yes, the people that were raped didn't ask for it, but that has nothing to do with your actions. Doing harm onto a person because they did harm onto someone else doesn't make your action right. It is just as twisted if not more so than the actions of those you are acting on. The old eye for an eye type of justice is just barbarianism.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    How reliable to you think a 6 year old who doesn't even understand pregnancy going to be in using a condom?

    And why? Never in his whole life is he ever going to be capable of raising a child. There result? The mentally challenged girlfriend becomes a baby-making machine that he bio-fathers - all then parentless children dumped into the system.

    I think his parents made the right decision and I see no reason for him to have to mess with condoms and the restrictions of them. In short, I see it as a good thing for him too - particularly since he said he doesn't want to have more children.
    My point is that rather than making a big fuss and event out of the scenario, he and his partner could just use condoms and birth control pills. No national story, no big fuss.
    If he or his partner isn't responsible enough to use condoms then he clearly needs to grow up and deal with it in a more mature manner. (Unless of course he is retarded (in the professional sense), then he may require assistance.)
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