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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Its already been said that they are supervised. Presumably whoever does that could give her the pill just as they would any other kind of medication.
    She cannot legally consent to taking birth control, they would need a court order to administer it, and that would only stop her getting pregnant, he's the one that needs the BC so he can't get somebody else pregnant.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    She cannot legally consent to taking birth control, they would need a court order to administer it --
    Then cue the claims the UK is ****ed like I read on the first few pages.

    It's not like the families and lawyers haven't agonised over this for 14 years (they first appealed in 1999 apparently)

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    She cannot legally consent to taking birth control, they would need a court order to administer it, and that would only stop her getting pregnant, he's the one that needs the BC so he can't get somebody else pregnant.
    Since when did it require legal consent? unless she refused to take it i don't see the issue. IF worse came to worse I don't see why slipping the pill in her drink would be a greater violation of civil liberties then sterilizing hey boyfriend (that sounds awful out of context)
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
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    Has Pandora's box been opened for a subclass of society that isnt allowed to breed in the UK's future? A six year old is smart enough to know the basic jist of birds and the bees. So I want to know if this man agreed to the viscetomy or not. Just because he said "I dotn want to have another kid" doesnt mean "Disable my seed from being able to spread forever." I want to know his exact intention. If they can do this for "personal best interest" why not cut off rapists balls for the "best interest of society"? Just sayin'.

    "I dont want to have a kid" could mean he was trying to appease the judge and saying "I wont have any more I promise". So what is the context? Or did the judge say, "We are going to do a special operation on your balls that will make it so you cant have kids anymore more. Is this what you want?" Im worried the guy might have been confused and the judge let his personal standards get in the way and would like to know more about this.
    The judge ok'd it, the judge did not require it.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    This an ethical dilemma that is way too complicated to judge unless you have all the facts and have interviewed all the players involved. The issues relating to the sexuality of the intellectually impaired are incredibly difficult to resolve for carers, for the authorities and especially for the individuals concerned.

    As a family we have wrestled with these issues and the one thing, the only thing, I can say about the topic without fear of contradiction is that there are no solutions that apply 100% across the board in all situations. That said, I wouldn't be prepared to say whether the judge got it wrong or right, and anyone here who thinks they are qualified to do so is full of it.

    Very well said. Thank you.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    Since when did it require legal consent? unless she refused to take it i don't see the issue. IF worse came to worse I don't see why slipping the pill in her drink would be a greater violation of civil liberties then sterilizing hey boyfriend (that sounds awful out of context)
    Giving someone with learning difficulties medication is fraught with ethical and legal problems in the absence of their ability to give a legal consent. Treatment for physical conditions such as heart disease or infections can be normally be justified as directly benefiting the health of the individual. Denying her the ability to procreate is of a different order. As with her boyfriend, such a decision must be subjected to the scrutiny of the law.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Giving someone with learning difficulties medication is fraught with ethical and legal problems in the absence of their ability to give a legal consent. Treatment for physical conditions such as heart disease or infections can be normally be justified as directly benefiting the health of the individual. Denying her the ability to procreate is of a different order. As with her boyfriend, such a decision must be subjected to the scrutiny of the law.
    I have a relative with very severe autism and this has never been an issue, if she sneezes too much her parents give her antihistamines, any legal impediments never occurred to them. What law requires informed consent? I'm just perplexed about why this would have greater ethical and legal issues then permanent sterilization.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    This is up to the British to decide. I don't know why so many Americans feel the need to chime in.

    We have enough problems on our own.

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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is up to the British to decide. I don't know why so many Americans feel the need to chime in.

    We have enough problems on our own.
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    Re: UK judge OKs sterilisation of man with mental age of six year old

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Grimm View Post
    This is up to the British to decide. I don't know why so many Americans feel the need to chime in.
    Americans don't limit free speech based on nationality, is why.

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