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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Water Wells = Places where gas from the Marcellus can come up easier. = Methane is easier to drill to. At least that's what I think with my self taught engineering thoughts. . .

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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Maybe watch this also, for the other side of the issue: Phelim McAleer - YouTube

    The entire documentary is playing on AXS.TV Frack Nation – Search Results – AXS TV

    And the NY Times stated in its review, that the film is: “FrackNation” is no tossed-off, pro-business pamphlet. Methodically researched and assembled (and financed by thousands of small donations from an online campaign), the film picks at Mr. Fox’s assertions and omissions with dogged persistence. http://movies.nytimes.com/2013/01/11...ary.html?_r=1&

    Just in case anyone wants to see the whole story. If you're a fan of GasLand and think it's an honest, truthful, and sincere documentary with no political agenda, and are dead set against fracking, no way, no how, not here, not ever, then don't bother watching. You've drank the koolaid and are lost. But, if you want to know the truth from what the NY Times, that bastion of "conservative, anti-environmentalism" said was methodically researched (unlike GasLand), then watch FrackNation.

    If nothing else, if you have an open mind, it will make you ask more questions, even it doesn't make you change your mind.
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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas105 View Post
    Water Wells = Places where gas from the Marcellus can come up easier. = Methane is easier to drill to. At least that's what I think with my self taught engineering thoughts. . .
    So, you think oil companies intetionally drill in close proximity to water wells?

    If I'm reading you right, then you couldn't be more wrong, for a couple reasons: 1) there minimum distances set in place, by law. 2) a 300 TD water well, with a 6" hole diameter isn't going to effect a 10,000+ foot gas well.

    Aquafers exist in pourous strata--clay and sand. Oil and gas wells that are fraced are drilled into impermeable shale formations, hence the need for fracturing the formation to allow the product to escape the strata into the production string.

    Head of Jauquin said earlier that fracing was taking place IN potable aquafers. That's incredibly wrong for many reasons, but primarily, aquafers are in pourous clay. There's absolutely no reason to frac a clay formation, that already allow free fluid flow. Not to mention, an aquafer that is 10-14,000 willpoison whomever is drinking the water. Therr are no 10,000 foot waterwells, for drinking water. The deepest water wells in west Texas are 3,000 feet and the water is so useless, that there strict government controls on how the water is used. The water from those wells is strictly used for frac water. When the well is no longer needed, it has to be plugged and abandoned per government regulations to insure that civilians don't ise the water.

    This is drilling, not engineering.
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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So . . . you ever actually going to admit that someone on the left doing what O'Keefe did is . . . bad? You're really great at deflecting away from lefty mischief with O'Keefe; not so much at unequivocally saying that it was indeed lefty mischief.
    Well if you look at a what I was replying to, it was a Conservative saying that he doesn't like it when documentaries have lies. I was pointing out that it happens on both sides.

    The film was not "lefty mischief" in the same way as a Michael Moore film is. It raised questions about the price of how we get our energy, and every source of energy has a price to pay. Including wind and solar. To say that fracking is 100% safe is just as misleading as saying it's horribly unsafe. It has a price to pay, and it's important to think about that price instead of just merrily fracking everything and everywhere. I'm not anti-fracking and I'm not anti-oil, but some thought should be given to the price you pay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Well if you look at a what I was replying to, it was a Conservative saying that he doesn't like it when documentaries have lies. I was pointing out that it happens on both sides.
    No, you were deflecting with O'Keefe (as you often do) without admitting this lefty was up to shenanigans as well. If he had said conservatives don't misrepresent anything, you'd have a point. He didn't. Thus, it's just irrelevant deflecting.

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    The film was not "lefty mischief" in the same way as a Michael Moore film is. It raised questions about the price of how we get our energy, and every source of energy has a price to pay. Including wind and solar. To say that fracking is 100% safe is just as misleading as saying it's horribly unsafe. It has a price to pay, and it's important to think about that price instead of just merrily fracking everything and everywhere. I'm not anti-fracking and I'm not anti-oil, but some thought should be given to the price you pay.
    You still can't bring yourself to admit it.
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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you were deflecting with O'Keefe (as you often do) without admitting this lefty was up to shenanigans as well. If he had said conservatives don't misrepresent anything, you'd have a point. He didn't. Thus, it's just irrelevant deflecting.
    Reading for context is your friend. You just can't do it because it would get in your way of "exposing" me for what you think I am. The thread isn't about me. Try to stay on topic instead of being an ass.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Reading for context is your friend.
    In what "context" did you not do exactly what I said?

    You just can't do it because it would get in your way of "exposing" me for what you think I am. The thread isn't about me. Try to stay on topic instead of being an ass.
    Your deflections are perfectly fair game. Just admit, unequivocally, without trying to deflect to someone else, that Fox fabricated part of his documentary, and that it's a bad thing he did. I don't know why you're trying so hard to avoid doing that.
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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    In what "context" did you not do exactly what I said?



    Your deflections are perfectly fair game. Just admit, unequivocally, without trying to deflect to someone else, that Fox fabricated part of his documentary, and that it's a bad thing he did. I don't know why you're trying so hard to avoid doing that.
    No, you are trying to deflect, just in a more complex manner. Whenever a liar can be found among your political opponents, that liar's existence is useful for generally deflecting from your opponent's more honest arguments. When your opponent in turn deflects by saying "well, your side does it too", they are already admitting that their side has a liar. They are deflecting AND they are admitting of their own liar.

    So get off it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    No, you are trying to deflect, just in a more complex manner. Whenever a liar can be found among your political opponents, that liar's existence is useful for generally deflecting from your opponent's more honest arguments. When your opponent in turn deflects by saying "well, your side does it too", they are already admitting that their side has a liar. They are deflecting AND they are admitting of their own liar.

    So get off it.
    I . . . well, I'd respond, but I don't really understand it. What am I trying to "deflect" from? I don't think this post really makes any sense. Is it possible you've confused me with someone else in the thread?

    And no, rocket88 hasn't admitted anything -- in fact, if anything, he defended Fox.
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    Re: 'Gasland’ Director Confronted on NPR Show

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I . . . well, I'd respond, but I don't really understand it. What am I trying to "deflect" from? I don't think this post really makes any sense. Is it possible you've confused me with someone else in the thread?

    And no, rocket88 hasn't admitted anything -- in fact, if anything, he defended Fox.
    Pointing out a liar among you opponents as it is being done in this thread is a form of deflection. It is a deflection from your opponents's more honest and effective arguments. It is not difficult to understand, and you already know this. Pounding away on a propagandist and then going from that to claiming all your opponents are wrong is an obvious dishonest tactic. When your opponent reacts by pointing out your side does it too, it is also a deflection, and it is legitimate one. It is legitimate, because it points up the fact that a liars exist on both sides of an issue, so wrongness of the issue can't possibly be decided by the existence of liars. It is legitimate because it is an attempt to move the debate back to talking about real issues, and back toward honesty.
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