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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So if its a propaganda arm and as you called propaganda must be false shouldnt this then be false?
    Such absolutism about such simple concepts.

    Frightening, really.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Such absolutism about such simple concepts.

    Frightening, really.
    Im literally using your words and your concepts....


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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Im literally using your words and your concepts....
    No your not. Your using false equivalence and absolutism to pretend fringe propaganda websites are the same as CNN. As I'm not up for a head-shave, a robe and a bowl of fruit punch, I shall not entertain such unreasonable nonsense.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No your not. Your using false equivalence and absolutism to pretend fringe propaganda websites are the same as CNN.
    No i am not.

    As I'm not up for a head-shave, a robe and a bowl of fruit punch, I shall not entertain such unreasonable nonsense.
    Did you say propaganda is a lie? Did you say RT is a arm of propaganda from the Russian gov?


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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Did you say propaganda is a lie?
    I said that defining propaganda as "an attempt to influence" is not useful, as one can always argue that the intent was to inform (as long as the source believes the info to be true). In trying to define propaganda as "anything meant to influence someone", you are engaging in false-equivalence based on the false premise that there is no other motive.

    Did you say RT is a arm of propaganda from the Russian gov?
    Yes. By trying to pretend that everything from a propaganda arm must be propaganda (as defined commonly), you are engaging in intellectually dishonest apologism based in pathetically nonsensical absolutism.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I said that defining propaganda as "an attempt to influence" is not useful, as one can always argue that the intent was to inform (as long as the source believes the info to be true). In trying to define propaganda as "anything meant to influence someone", you are engaging in false-equivalence based on the false premise that there is no other motive.
    "It's not really propaganda when it is true (using the extremely broad definition of propaganda of "anything intended to influence" is not really legit, as such lends itself to nihilist positions supporting conspiracy theory). We're not telling the people of Cuba, Afghan or Iraq lies. "

    If its not propaganda when its "true" then it must be propaganda when it is false.


    Yes. By trying to pretend that everything from a propaganda arm must be propaganda (as defined commonly), you are engaging in intellectually dishonest apologism based in pathetically nonsensical absolutism.
    If RT is a propaganda arm of the Russia couldnt we argue that CNN International is a propaganda arm of the US? Or do propaganda arms have to be exclusively controlled by a government and have to only distriube information that makes their mother country looks favorable and the host country or enemies country unfavorable?


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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If its not propaganda when its "true" then it must be propaganda when it is false.
    You don't seem to understand the basic nor common definition of propaganda. In order to prove that something is propaganda by the basic definition, you must prove that the intent was NOT to inform, but only to influence. As one can always make the argument that the intent was to inform (as long as the source believes the info to be true), this definition leads to long side arguments about motive. It's much easier to establish something is propaganda when it is false; however, we must remember that the source must know the info is false in order to prove that the sole intent was to influence others. Of course, someone could provide false information, believing it to be true, and that is not propaganda.

    Given yours and other's inability to navigate this concept, propaganda is generally easier (and commonly) defined as something that the source knows is untrue (thus eliminating the possibility that the motive was to inform).

    If RT is a propaganda arm of the Russia couldnt we argue that CNN International is a propaganda arm of the US? Or do propaganda arms have to be exclusively controlled by a government and have to only distriube information that makes their mother country looks favorable and the host country or enemies country unfavorable?
    Propaganda arms exist primarily to influence and not to inform. Thus, RT is a propaganda arm while CNN is not. Ownership of the source, private or public, is irrelevant. The fact that Russia (and Vene and Iran) utilize state media as propaganda does, however, make it worse. You see, there will always be private groups intentionally spreading lies, but a government doing so as a matter of state controlled media is rather worse.
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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Why wouldn't the CIA have a file on Chomsky? They have files on many outspoken public figures. The CIA is an intelligence organization. Collecting data and information is what they do.
    I love the NSA. It's like having a secret fan-base you will never see, but they're there, watching everything you write and it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that I may be some person's only form of unconstitutional entertainment one night.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Are you not familiar with Chomsky, or do you lack critical thinking ability? He blames everything on the US and capitalism, he's a first-rate self-serving utopia-based populist whore (no wonder people living protected and ignorant lives adore him).
    Doesn't Chomsky use "critical thinking"?

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Doesn't Chomsky use "critical thinking"?
    Sure but he's an intellectually dishonest, hateful, populist scumbag. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between him and Chavez.

    It's his fanboys who lack the ability to discern such. They are so busy cheering for their "team" they will believe, 110%, anything that agrees with their rage-fueled bigotry. They're like conspiracy theorists, believing every little bit and piece of anything that will forward their slander of the "other", except they are motivated not by insane levels of paranoia but insane levels of "us vs. them" and a seething jealousy of the rich.


    ps. Why do you put critical thinking in quotes? Do you think it's not a real thing? hahaha
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