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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Of course. Both try to portray negative things about each other and both try to portray positive things about themselves. Saying that not everything in propaganda is true and not everything in propaganda is false.
    This level of false equivalence is too much.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This level of false equivalence is too much.

    Good day.
    I would also strongly disagree because one does not have to flat out lie to make it propaganda.
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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Of course groups in the US have propaganda arms, but the government does not.
    You're certainly ignorant of our government's operations if you truly believe that. We've spent (wasted) over $20,000,000 on propaganda operations directed towards Cuba which are jammed anyway. That's one country. The military was running propaganda missions in Iraq and are doing the same in Afghanistan which are directed at the populations of each country. There was a lot of domestic U.S. propaganda in the lead up to the Iraq War. Our government and military utilize propaganda when it serves them… just like everyone else.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    You're certainly ignorant of our government's operations if you truly believe that. We've spent (wasted) over $20,000,000 on propaganda operations directed towards Cuba which are jammed anyway. That's one country. The military was running propaganda missions in Iraq and are doing the same in Afghanistan which are directed at the populations of each country. There was a lot of domestic U.S. propaganda in the lead up to the Iraq War. Our government and military utilize propaganda when it serves them… just like everyone else.
    It's not really propaganda when it is true (using the extremely broad definition of propaganda of "anything intended to influence" is not really legit, as such lends itself to nihilist positions supporting conspiracy theory). We're not telling the people of Cuba, Afghan or Iraq lies.

    Regarding supposed "domestic propaganda" and Iraq, there was no propaganda. In case you haven't heard, Saddam was actively faking a WMD program in order to fend off the Iranian regime. The intel from various countries, who all believed he had such a program, matched with and resulted from Saddam's ruse.

    Sorry, but I don't do conspiracy theories and I don't think CNN is a propaganda arm. Do you remember when PressTV claimed a cardboard mock-up was a new advanced fighter jet? Do you remember when PressTV claimed a cardboard mock-up was a stealth drone? That's totally out of CNN's league. And besides, PressTV is the main (domestic and international) propaganda arm of a totalitarian regime - not the same.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    You're not really in a position to make an absolute declaration that we're not lying to Cuba, Iraq or Afghanistan, are you? I mean, unless you were a PSYOPS officer during your time in the U.S. military Ö

    Regarding Iraq War domestic propaganda: when government officials say something, like (and I'm paraphrasing), "Iraq will nuke us and our allies because they have the capability," that's propaganda.

    How many times has some authority figure in our government said something like this: "Iran is close to getting the bomb!" I'll tell you, a lot. Between us and the Israelis, since like 1992, that utterance or something remotely similar has been making headwaves in the press in the West.

    Press TV? When did I mention that propaganda organÖ or even compare it to CNN? Have you been drinking?

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's not really propaganda when it is true (using the extremely broad definition of propaganda of "anything intended to influence" is not really legit, as such lends itself to nihilist positions supporting conspiracy theory).
    So why did you call this propaganda? This is true and immediately you came out and called it "propaganda".. If we are going by your very very narrow narrow (which i wouldn't even call it true because propaganda can be both true and false) definition of propaganda then why did you call this propaganda? Why would you call this "russian propaganda" then?


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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So why did you call this propaganda? This is true and immediately you came out and called it "propaganda"..
    That's not true. I called RT a propaganda arm for the Russian regime, and it is. As you used a propaganda arm of the Russian regime, I felt it appropriate to point out that regime puts musical bands in prison for peaceful demonstrations based on convictions for "disrespecting religion".

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's not true. I called RT a propaganda arm for the Russian regime, and it is. As you used a propaganda arm of the Russian regime, I felt it appropriate to point out that regime puts musical bands in prison for peaceful demonstrations based on convictions for "disrespecting religion".
    So if its a propaganda arm and as you called propaganda must be false shouldnt this then be false?


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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's not true. I called RT a propaganda arm for the Russian regime, and it is. As you used a propaganda arm of the Russian regime
    I don't trust RT either. Or Voice of Russia. Or Pravda, which is officially designated a propaganda organ.

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    Re: CIA Ďadmitsí to having file on Chomsky, might have destroyed it

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    I don't trust RT either. Or Voice of Russia. Or Pravda, which is officially designated a propaganda organ.
    And it's not like I (we) trust CNN, but CNN is much less likely to carry flat-out BS and it doesn't constantly go out of its way to disparage other countries while ignoring domestic context.

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