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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic [W:212]

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head of joaquin said:
God says homophobes are condemned for judging gay people.

Romans 2:1.
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Damn Qoaquin... I knew if I looked hard enough, I would find something you wrote that would show we could agree on something.

Well done.
 
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Bronson said:
We've been over this

Stop elevating animals to the level of humanity. Human beings are not unthinking irrational creatures that act entirely on instinct and outside stimuli. There is NO homosexual instinct in animals. Irrational animal behavior is not a measuring stick to justify acceptable behavior in a rational and civil society.

"homosexual behavior" in animals is for reasons that are not rational. Dominance. Clashing and conflicting outside stimuli. You're acting animals know what they are doing is right or wrong or something. Or out of some fairy tale love like in a Disney cartoon. It's all symbolism. Not science.
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Love is rooted in biology. Neurotransmitters and hormones such as oxytocin create an emotional connection to another person with whom we are familiar and intimate with. I haven't read any studies on the matter of animals feeling love, but the reason humans feel this emotion is because it's good for our species and helps us procreate and survive in groups. Therefore, I see no reason why animals wouldn't feel love. Animals deal with a different reality, because they likely don't worry about morality when they either are members of or descendents of species whose entire existence consisted of trying to survive. That doesn't mean they can't think or feel. If you grew up in a jungle with no parents and miraculously survived, how do you think you would act? In short, don't pretend the human race is something that it isn't.

But I could be wrong. After all, I'm only human
 
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head of joaquin said:
God says homophobes are condemned for judging gay people.

Romans 2:1.
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Poor guy. You have no clue. One day you will see and understand. However, then it will be too late.
 
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head of joaquin said:
So blowjobs are unnatural?

I love the direction homophobes take. They want to control everybody, not just gay males. (though their fixation on gay sex is telling)
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Women can give blowjobs,women have babies so nope.

Khayembii Communique said:
No, that is your own personal attribution of purpose and meaning to life.
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No its truth.


opendebate said:
If it occurs in nature it is natural. And really, why do you care?
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I care because homosexual activists and their allies are jamming gay history and lifestyle down kids throats in school.

Ikari said:
It doesn't matter why, and likely it's some complicated set.of factors. All that matters is that it's none of your business.
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Actually it is.
Redress said:
Just starting with the first page. Homosexuality occurs in nature. By definition it is therefore natural.

Gay people have kids all the time, and have done so throughout history. Your ignorance is showing.
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Not biologically.
Hatuey said:
A declared racist talking about homosexuality. I bet he's a Jew loving Christian too.
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I am a racist? Did I say that somewhere or are you just using that good ole talking out of ass thing again?
Grand Mal said:
Which 14 words would that be, Lysander? Is the first 'We' and the 14th 'children'?
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Very smart! I know its horrible...
 
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Lysander said:
Women can give blowjobs,women have babies so nope.


No its truth.


I care because homosexual activists and their allies are jamming gay history and lifestyle down kids throats in school.


Actually it is.

Not biologically.

I am a racist? Did I say that somewhere or are you just using that good ole talking out of ass thing again?

Very smart! I know its horrible...
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What is the matter with teaching people to be tolerant? Are you afraid they are going to catch it?
 
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Lysander said:
Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic | OrthodoxNet.com Blog
Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
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Aside from quoting from a conservative religious site, the article is simply wrong! The article you are citing is not quoting from a “new study,” but a “Meta-study” of collated prior studies. Those studies consisted of statistical examinations of identical twin’s sexual orientations, but rarely, if ever examined the genetic codes of participants.

The first very large, reliable study of identical twins was conducted in Australia in 1991, followed by a large U.S. study about 1997. Then Australia and the U.S. conducted more twin studies in 2000, followed by several studies in Scandinavia, according to Dr. Whitehead.
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I am familiar with many of the studies, they have been cited often in past discussions of the topic. Most of the studies were conducted by Ph.D.’s in disciplines other than genetics. They all simply examined groups of sexually mature twins, focusing on those pairs containing members who were homosexual. The very few that might have involved genetic examinations were done prior to the development of modern techniques, and NONE examined sets of identical twin babies..

They ALL PRESUMED that since they were identical twins developed from a single shared zygote, then their DNA must also be identical. All participants were sexually mature and any genetic “drift” (difference) noted by geneticists was assumed to be epigenetic. This has been proven untrue, identical twins can and do have different DNA from birth: Identical Twins Differ Genetically | LiveScience

This 2012 study shows that somatic and other gene mutations occur at a very high rate, demonstrating that identical twins often have different genetic structures at birth.

All the studies used by the author of the meta-study, Dr. Whitehead, were conducted before the November 2012 revelation that examination of genetic codes in 92 sets of identical twins showed a number had clear differences in their genetic codes which occurred while still in the womb.

Dr. Whitehead, the Ph.D., who collated his meta-study is not a geneticist.

“At best genetics is a minor factor,” says Dr. Neil Whitehead, PhD. Whitehead…His PhD is in biochemistry and statistics.
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So, we now know that Identical Twins do not always have identical DNA, that in fact they frequently have different DNA structures in the mix. While this doesn’t prove there is a “gay gene,” it does disprove any assertion that just because only one of a pair of twins is gay there must be no such thing as a gay gene.
 
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Lysander said:
Not biologically.
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Yes, biologically. Leaving aside the fact that all kids born today are born biologically and taking it as you meant, you are still wrong. Gay people have had kids since the beginning of time. Hint: all the organs gay people have work just the same as the ones straight people have.
 
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opendebate said:
What is the matter with teaching people to be tolerant? Are you afraid they are going to catch it?
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"Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions."

Are you going to say the same thing for incest? Beastiality? Polygamy?
Redress said:
Yes, biologically. Leaving aside the fact that all kids born today are born biologically and taking it as you meant, you are still wrong. Gay people have had kids since the beginning of time. Hint: all the organs gay people have work just the same as the ones straight people have.
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I know everyone's works the same point being can't have a child the normal way man/woman without having sex...being gay means you aren't doing it the normal way so they must adopt or get a woman to carry 1 of the men's seed and not the other...
 
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Lysander said:
I know everyone's works the same point being can't have a child the normal way man/woman without having sex...being gay means you aren't doing it the normal way so they must adopt or get a woman to carry 1 of the men's seed and not the other...
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Ok, the problem is that you have no clue what gays do and do not do. Let me give you a clue: gays can have sex with people of the opposite sex, just as straight people can have sex with those of the same sex. Learn the difference between orientation and activity. Gays have been having kids as long as there have been gays. That simple fact destroys entirely your supposition they are not doing it the normal way. Further, those methods you mention: they are perfectly good, valid ways to have kids. Oh, and one last clue that you seem to lack: women can be gay too.
 
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Then that would make them bisexual not gay. Sheesh.Oh and yes I know women can be gay. I knew a "lesbian" its funny she decided she was a lesbian AFTER she had 2 kids with a guy...quite amusing..
 
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Lysander said:
"Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions."

Are you going to say the same thing for incest? Beastiality? Polygamy?


I know everyone's works the same point being can't have a child the normal way man/woman without having sex...being gay means you aren't doing it the normal way so they must adopt or get a woman to carry 1 of the men's seed and not the other...
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"We have convictions only if we have studied nothing thoroughly."

I say that one human can have sexual relations with whomever is able to provide consent. I could care less. It is not going to unleash the moral deterioration of society.
 
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opendebate said:
"We have convictions only if we have studied nothing thoroughly."

I say that one human can have sexual relations with whomever is able to provide consent. I could care less. It is not going to unleash the moral deterioration of society.
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Correct. I have no problem with people doing it even though its disgusting and not normal for a descent society but my problem is when these activist types try pushing their sick thoughts into schools and trying to teach that its a normal lifestyle to kids in school.Its one reason I am so involved in my kids schooling...I know what's being taught and I make sure this filth isn't there.
 
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Lysander said:
Correct. I have no problem with people doing it even though its disgusting and not normal for a descent society but my problem is when these activist types try pushing their sick thoughts into schools and trying to teach that its a normal lifestyle to kids in school.Its one reason I am so involved in my kids schooling...I know what's being taught and I make sure this filth isn't there.
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It's not filth. It is human sexuality. It is complicated. I think keeping information about something like this is like not talking to your kids about contraception. They will find out on the streets. Good luck with that.
 
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opendebate said:
It's not filth. It is human sexuality. It is complicated. I think keeping information about something like this is like not talking to your kids about contraception. They will find out on the streets. Good luck with that.
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No its filth. Keep it to yourselves and out of schools. Oh my kids know what a homosexual is. I told them,plus kids are curious so they ask questions. I am just saying keep that garbage out of schools where 99% of the teachers are brainwashed at liberal colleges to think this crap is normal OK stuff and its fine to teach that to kids that are impressionable etc. Me and my wife will teach our kids what needs to be taught...they can make their own decision on it when they are old enough not brainwashed from some school program or class.
 
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Lysander said:
Then that would make them bisexual not gay. Sheesh.Oh and yes I know women can be gay. I knew a "lesbian" its funny she decided she was a lesbian AFTER she had 2 kids with a guy...quite amusing..
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No it would not. I suggest you do some reading on the topic before looking even more silly. Hint: orientation refers to attraction. You do not need to be attracted to some one to have sex. While that is an oversimplification, further expanding on it would make your point even stupider.
 
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Lysander said:
No its filth. Keep it to yourselves and out of schools. Oh my kids know what a homosexual is. I told them,plus kids are curious so they ask questions. I am just saying keep that garbage out of schools where 99% of the teachers are brainwashed at liberal colleges to think this crap is normal OK stuff and its fine to teach that to kids that are impressionable etc. Me and my wife will teach our kids what needs to be taught...they can make their own decision on it when they are old enough not brainwashed from some school program or class.
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Teaching your children hate, that sounds like a good idea. Do you even know exactly what it is that is being taught. I seriously doubt that they are showing gay porn.
 
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Redress said:
No it would not. I suggest you do some reading on the topic before looking even more silly. Hint: orientation refers to attraction. You do not need to be attracted to some one to have sex. While that is an oversimplification, further expanding on it would make your point even stupider.
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If a gay guy has sex with a woman that makes him bisexual I don't care if its 1 time or 100 times. Gay means with someone of same sex.
opendebate said:
Teaching your children hate, that sounds like a good idea. Do you even know exactly what it is that is being taught. I seriously doubt that they are showing gay porn.
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You call it hate I call it survival of our people and our kind. We are fewer and fewer every day. I do know what's being taught and fortunately my daughter isn't in that grade yet but I still keep tabs on EVERYTHING she learns.I doubt they are showing porn but they are brainwashing kids to think its normal just a new generation of obedient drones who pull the lever for the democrats come election time.I let my kids find their own minds up. I am an Atheist wife is a non practicing christian. Neither of us forces our beliefs on them we let them choose...same with everything else..you answer the questions asked and hope for the best.
 
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Lysander said:
If a gay guy has sex with a woman that makes him bisexual I don't care if its 1 time or 100 times. Gay means with someone of same sex.
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Ah, so you do not know what the word gay means. Let's see what professionals who have a clue say it means: Sexual orientation, homosexuality and bisexuality

Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person’s sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors, and membership in a community of others who share those attractions.
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Lysander said:
If a gay guy has sex with a woman that makes him bisexual I don't care if its 1 time or 100 times. Gay means with someone of same sex.

You call it hate I call it survival of our people and our kind. We are fewer and fewer every day. I do know what's being taught and fortunately my daughter isn't in that grade yet but I still keep tabs on EVERYTHING she learns.I doubt they are showing porn but they are brainwashing kids to think its normal just a new generation of obedient drones who pull the lever for the democrats come election time.I let my kids find their own minds up. I am an Atheist wife is a non practicing christian. Neither of us forces our beliefs on them we let them choose...same with everything else..you answer the questions asked and hope for the best.
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It's called evolving, you should really consider giving it a try.

Without knowing what is being taught how can you possibly oppose it?

Are you going to follow your daughter around for the rest of her life? It really really really doesn't sound at all like you let your kids make up their own minds. If you restrict what information they get how are they possibly making informed decisions?
 
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StillBallin75 said:
Neither is building a court and putting up orange hoops and putting a ball through them again and again but nobody seems to have a problem with that.
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That putting up orange hoops and putting a ball though it...that is painfully lame and should go the way of the dinosaur.
 
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Redress said:
That putting up orange hoops and putting a ball though it...that is painfully lame and should go the way of the dinosaur.
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I can think of a hundred things that should go into the dustbin of history before basketball. Anime, for instance.
 
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Lysander said:
If a gay guy has sex with a woman that makes him bisexual I don't care if its 1 time or 100 times. Gay means with someone of same sex.

You call it hate I call it survival of our people and our kind. We are fewer and fewer every day. I do know what's being taught and fortunately my daughter isn't in that grade yet but I still keep tabs on EVERYTHING she learns.I doubt they are showing porn but they are brainwashing kids to think its normal just a new generation of obedient drones who pull the lever for the democrats come election time.I let my kids find their own minds up. I am an Atheist wife is a non practicing christian. Neither of us forces our beliefs on them we let them choose...same with everything else..you answer the questions asked and hope for the best.
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Teach your children well.
It's your right and I would defend it but you and your kind shouldn't have a voice, here or anywhere. Racialism is just another buzzword for the kind of tribalism that holds the whole species back from the next step in evolution.
 
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StillBallin75 said:
I can think of a hundred things that should go into the dustbin of history before basketball. Anime, for instance.
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Lysander said:
Its not natural. The natural course of nature is to make children/young whatever you want to call it. Can't do it with homosexuality.
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Then why do dogs do it?
 
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