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Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic [W:212]

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Rainman05 said:
:p

And this was getting so fun. Go buy the new iphone xtard when it comes out. It will be as long as the goldengate bridge and will last a full 8h.
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I do hate the length of the iPHone 5, anyway, the point was the guy has a PHD in BioChemistry, I think he is authorized to speak on the matter.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Not natural? Homosexuality has existed forever, every country and culture since recorded history. Homosexual behaviors have been observed in close to 1,500 species. I don't care what argument you make but calling it "unnatural" is just false. Not true.
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Animals are not gay. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

Animals engage in such behavior for a variety of different reasons such as dominance. Not because of sexual attraction.

opendebate said:
If it occurs in nature it is natural. And really, why do you care?
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It doesn't occur in nature. Animals are not gay. Animals do not have a homosexual instinct. Animals do not engage in homosexual behavior in the wild because of sexual attraction, or love, ect. Confused stimuli, dominance, ect are the reasons.
 
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Bronson said:
Animals are not gay. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

Animals engage in such behavior for a variety of different reasons such as dominance. Not because of sexual attraction.
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Actually they've found sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex pairings.
 
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davidtaylorjr said:
I do hate the length of the iPHone 5, anyway, the point was the guy has a PHD in BioChemistry, I think he is authorized to speak on the matter.
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You got boring very fast :(. I was really enjoying our proper conversation.

Cheers. HF discussing on this obscure thread which talks about an unreferenced scientific study commented by someone who isn't qualified to speak in this field. I'm out.
 
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Bronson said:
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic

There is no gay gene
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There is no evidence that any sexuality is genetic. There is no evidence that handedness is genetic. There is no evidence that many things are genetic, particularly when it comes to personality traits. But there is plenty of evidence to suggest that genetics do play a part in many personality traits, including sexuality and other sexual preferences.
 
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iliveonramen said:
Actually they've found sexual activity, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting among same sex pairings.
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Nope

In the wild when a male mounts a male, it's to assert dominance, power and control. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

Animals engage in sexual activity because of scents. Like a female dog in heat for example can be detected by other dogs by the smell. Even female dogs in heat have tried to mount female dogs in heat. Chemical reactions to outside stimuli. To try and project human motivations and behaviors onto animals is bad science.

roguenuke said:
There is no evidence that any sexuality is genetic. There is no evidence that handedness is genetic. There is no evidence that many things are genetic, particularly when it comes to personality traits. But there is plenty of evidence to suggest that genetics do play a part in many personality traits, including sexuality and other sexual preferences.
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Heterosexuality propagates the species. To claim that heterosexuality is not genetic is anti science. There is no genetic proof that people are born gay. We're born with reproductive organs in order to reproduce. Didn't you ever take science in grade school?
 
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iliveonramen said:
Words do have meaning. Natural is something that occurs or caused by nature without human influence.

In fact the stigmatizing of homosexuality and homosexual acts is "unnatural" because it's solely a human construct.
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So words have meaning... except when you don't like the words.

Can you name anything that isn't natural by your wide definition?
 
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Bronson said:
Nope

In the wild when a male mounts a male, it's to assert dominance, power and control. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

Animals engage in sexual activity because of scents. Like a female dog in heat for example can be detected by other dogs by the smell. Even female dogs in heat have tried to mount female dogs in heat. Chemical reactions to outside stimuli. To try and project human motivations and behaviors onto animals is bad science.
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Well to be blunt I'll trust the science articles I've read by people that actually do that stuff for a living over someone on a forum.
 
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jmotivator said:
So words have meaning... except when you don't like the words.

Can you name anything that isn't natural by your wide definition?
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It's not my definition...

Yes...a sky scrapper is not natural, a city is not natural, human laws are not natural, extinction caused by human actions are not natural, deforestation by humans is not natural...etc etc.
 
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iliveonramen said:
It's not my definition...

Yes...a sky scrapper is not natural, a city is not natural, human laws are not natural, extinction caused by human actions are not natural, deforestation by humans is not natural...etc etc.
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But animals have been building structures in the wild forever, man has been building buildings forever... so by your definition a skyscraper is natural.
 
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Bronson said:
Nope

In the wild when a male mounts a male, it's to assert dominance, power and control. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

Animals engage in sexual activity because of scents. Like a female dog in heat for example can be detected by other dogs by the smell. Even female dogs in heat have tried to mount female dogs in heat. Chemical reactions to outside stimuli. To try and project human motivations and behaviors onto animals is bad science.
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You haven't read much about this, have you? Sounds like you're just repeating something you heard somebody say. I have bad news for you. It is thought that every species of animal on Earth (with abundant population) has members which exhibit homosexual behavior. Not just "picking up scents." Not just "as a show of dominance." There certainly have been documented instances of those things appearing to happen, but homosexuality in animals is much more prevalent than that which we see in instances of "shows of dominance."

Check out Roy and Silo! Gay penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo. Have they just been picking up each other's scent for years now? No, they are gay penguins, they are partners in life. They hatched an egg together. Super cute. If you aren't going to retract your point, I could go on all day. This is just the most prominent example of many observations and studies which show beyond a doubt that homosexual behavior in animals is widespread and diverse.

EDIT: Roy and Silo broke up btw.
 
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stuides have shown that a male's chance of being homosexual increase by 33% for each older male sibling he has. A fact that I take great pleasure in pointing out to my younger brothers. ;)

interestly, the same correlation does not hold true for females.
 
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Lysander said:
Identical Twin Studies Prove Homosexuality is Not Genetic | OrthodoxNet.com Blog
Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
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Lysander said:
Its not natural. The natural course of nature is to make children/young whatever you want to call it. Can't do it with homosexuality.
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Just starting with the first page. Homosexuality occurs in nature. By definition it is therefore natural.

Gay people have kids all the time, and have done so throughout history. Your ignorance is showing.
 
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jmotivator said:
But animals have been building structures in the wild forever, man has been building buildings forever... so by your definition a skyscraper is natural.
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Not really..."existing in or cause by nature; not made or caused by humankind" is the definition I was using.

The building of structures to escape the elements is a natural. A skyscraper is something specific that is only created by human...therefore not natural.
 
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In the absence of any actual studies to read, the source for this is just a minor opinion piece that matters not at all. Citing unnamed and unsourced studies is kinda lame.
 
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Mustachio said:
You haven't read much about this, have you? Sounds like you're just repeating something you heard somebody say. I have bad news for you. It is thought that every species of animal on Earth (with abundant population) has members which exhibit homosexual behavior. Not just "picking up scents." Not just "as a show of dominance." There certainly have been documented instances of those things appearing to happen, but homosexuality in animals is much more prevalent than that which we see in instances of "shows of dominance."

Check out Roy and Silo! Gay penguins at New York's Central Park Zoo. Have they just been picking up each other's scent for years now? No, they are gay penguins, they are partners in life. They hatched an egg together. Super cute. If you aren't going to retract your point, I could go on all day. This is just the most prominent example of many observations and studies which show beyond a doubt that homosexual behavior in animals is widespread and diverse.
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There is no homosexual instinct in animals. I didn't realize liberals were so anti science.

I knew someone would bring up the gay penguins. You realize that they are now ex-gay penguins right?

SF Zoo's Same Sex Penguin Couple Splits Up | www.ktvu.com

So if we're going to use "gay animals" as evidence that homosexuality is "natural" then we can conclude that homosexuality can be "cured". Not only that, since we're using irrational animal behavior to justify human morality now is cannibalism a moral and civil right now too? After all, animals eat their young and engage in cannibalism.

Redress said:
Just starting with the first page. Homosexuality occurs in nature. By definition it is therefore natural.

Gay people have kids all the time, and have done so throughout history. Your ignorance is showing.
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No it doesn't. Animals aren't mounting other animals because of human feelings and motivations. Animals react irrationally to outside stimuli. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.
 
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iliveonramen said:
It's not my definition...

Yes...a sky scrapper is not natural, a city is not natural, human laws are not natural, extinction caused by human actions are not natural, deforestation by humans is not natural...etc etc.
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Also, in order:

* - Animals have been building communities forever so cities are natural

* - Not a fan of natural law, I see?

* - Living things have caused other living things to go extinct forever, and man is part of the natural world so man made extinction is natural.

* - Animals have caused deforestation forever, therefore human deforestation is natural
 
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iliveonramen said:
Not really..."existing in or cause by nature; not made or caused by humankind" is the definition I was using
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SO, since you are now separating "natural" and "caused by humankind" into two separate categories we can throw out your argument that homosexuality exists in nature so therefor it is "natural" in humans. You can't have it both ways.
 
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Bronson said:
There is no gay gene
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This has simply NOT been proven. There has been no gay gene found YET, that doesn't mean there isn't one.

Did gravity all of a sudden exist ONLY when it was found, or was it there all along?

No, the scientific community has not said there is NO gay gene, only that one hasn't been found.

If homosexuality is a choice, so is heterosexuality. Did you CHOOSE to be attracted to women or was it natural for you to do so?
 
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Bronson said:
There is no scientific evidence that homosexuality is genetic

There is no gay gene
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Yeah. That's what I said. It's not a single factor. It's a combination of many different and probably unrelated factors.

Bronson said:
Animals are not gay. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.

Animals engage in such behavior for a variety of different reasons such as dominance. Not because of sexual attraction.

It doesn't occur in nature. Animals are not gay. Animals do not have a homosexual instinct. Animals do not engage in homosexual behavior in the wild because of sexual attraction, or love, ect. Confused stimuli, dominance, ect are the reasons.
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Please share the evidence you used in order to reach this conclusion.

Mustachio said:
EDIT: Roy and Silo broke up btw.
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:(

Bronson said:
No it doesn't. Animals aren't mounting other animals because of human feelings and motivations. Animals react irrationally to outside stimuli. There is no homosexual instinct in animals.
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That's a very male centric view there. It's not really sex unless there's a penis involved?
 
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Lysander said:
Its not natural. The natural course of nature is to make children/young whatever you want to call it. Can't do it with homosexuality.
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But when their is more people to space and Food its natural for birth rates to slow down and\ or have less children per parent .
 
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TheNextEra said:
This has simply NOT been proven. There has been no gay gene found YET, that doesn't mean there isn't one.

Did gravity all of a sudden exist ONLY when it was found, or was it there all along?

No, the scientific community has not said there is NO gay gene, only that one hasn't been found.

If homosexuality is a choice, so is heterosexuality. Did you CHOOSE to be attracted to women or was it natural for you to do so?
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There is no gay gene.

Your belief that such a gene exists is pure religious dogma. This study even hammers that point home even harder. Identical twins have identical DNA. If there was a gay gene there would consistent data to show that was a possibility. The scientific data and evidence point to the exact opposite however.

Male/female coupling is natural. It has specific social and biological purposes. It's propagates the species. Homosexuality is abnormal. Occurs in less than 5% (less than 2% most likely) and is associated with psychological abnormalities in humans. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM criteria until it was removed for political purposes. Animals engage in those types of irrational homosexual behaviors because of dominance and conflicting and confusing outside stimuli.
 
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Paschendale said:
Yeah. That's what I said. It's not a single factor. It's a combination of many different and probably unrelated factors.
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There is no gay gene. This identical twin study further proves that.

Please share the evidence you used in order to reach this conclusion.
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Animals lack intellect and will. This is basic science. Animals are motivated by instinct. Not rational thoughtful decisions.

That's a very male centric view there. It's not really sex unless there's a penis involved?
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Are you going to claim animals engage in fetish behavior such as bondage now too? :lol:
 
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Lysander said:
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Hm. Here I thought it was genetic.Either way its not natural.
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First of all, self fulfilling studies usually achieve the results one is looking for, I am not sure that this has happened here but as I am not a genetics expert I am in no position to see if this study would stand up to peer review.

Secondly, not genetic does not mean that it is not natural or that people are not born that way.
 
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